Britain's Strongestman under 105 final
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| force10 |  | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 14:07 |
 Drugs cheat Member 3860, 630 posts SQ 335, BP 210, DL 330875.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Ben_Something said: I openly admit that one factor for questioning this new 'no hitch' rule is that it directly impacts on my performance. I think to introduce a rule change ~3 weeks before a comp is unnecessary, I also think the current proposal invites controversy. Whilst the refs will do their best to be fair, one or two people will end up feeling hard done by. I'm not worried, I don't think it will change much, some people might lift a little less, but we'll all just get on with it. In regard to my log at England's: You're right; you're not having a dig. At least not at me, however you are implying that it was reffed unfairly, had I been one of the refs I would take that as a serious dig. I understand that your views have come from a spectators perspective, but a spectator with a powerlifting back ground is likely to be slightly biased. When watching others I couldn't care less whether a deadlift was hitched, it makes no difference to me either way. I agree with your point on changing the rule 3 weeks before but also if you look at it from the other angle its putting a rule in place which will hopefully make one event better for many reasons, plus you could argue all day about when a rule should be put in place, the government put new rules in place quite regularly and with less fuss. Looking at the reffing at the Englands theres no dig at either ref, its just another point that should be discussed for the future of the sport. a rule or two in place would make things much clearer for each ref and every competitor, IMO either ref did thier part and judged the lift to thier standard they thought correct but if there were to be a clear set of rules or guide lines for each event/ lift in strongman then there would be no room for discussions like this thread. Dont you think ? I know you think my views are biased as iv a powerlifting background but they are not in any way. | ||
| force10 | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 14:12 |
Drugs cheat Member 3860, 630 posts SQ 335, BP 210, DL 330875.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | chaos said: So when your in a repping deadlift event and you need one or 2 more reps to take the lead or even win, you'll stop becasue you won't hitch????? Me thinks not! (or your pretty daft if you do!) I cant hitch iv tried it, I cant do it, Iv had to many years doing deadlifts properly my body is conditioned to power the weight straight up. Oh and repping really is where I excell, so lets hope thres lots of heavy rep events in the u105s next year.  | ||
| Martin_Jones | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 14:16 |
Member 566, 813 posts SQ 280, BP 175, DL 340795.0 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq | Interesting comments guys - lets just keep it at that and not get personal. I completely respect all of your views and explainations. Just to add that it is a huge pet hate of mine that people hitch and there is also an element of Safety. There are varying degrees of hitching from resting on the knees and thighs to a little re-bend as in Kevin's video, so as mentioned I will allow a little "re-bend" but the bar must continue to travel upwards. Kevin's vid was a good example to show people what i'm after. I know there will be varying degrees of knee bending but that will be for me to decide on the day. I think its important for people to remember to keep the bar moving and do not rest it on the knees and thighs. I hope you guys see my point and respect the decission that has been made between myself and the promotor. I see myself as a very fair but strict type of person and will guide every single person through every event before they perform it. All the athletes have to worry about is doing the best they can. I hope that everyone will respect this. Goodluck. | ||
| Mark | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 14:23 |
Member. Member 2171, 1612 posts | Martin_Jones said: I see myself as a very fair but strict type of person and will guide every single person through every event before they perform it. All the athletes have to worry about is doing the best they can. I hope that everyone will respect this. Goodluck. I don't think anyone will have any issues with any of that fella, people know you are good at what you do and help out as much as you can to make sure people know what is / isn't acceptable  | ||
| neilakaconan | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 17:36 |
 Member 2933, 511 posts SQ 200, BP 152.5, DL 232.5585.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | hitch is also a will smith film! | ||
| ross_stone | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 20:06 |
a very hunky young man Member 833, 270 posts SQ 350, BP 220, DL 370940.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | Is this comp britain strongestman u105 best hitcher? or britains strongestman u105 biggest b**ches? lol | ||
| Ben_Something | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 20:48 |
 The legendary Discus Ben Member 1550, 476 posts | ross_stone said:Is this comp britain strongestman u105 best hitcher? or britains strongestman u105 biggest b**ches? lol I can see why the 105 scene has the image of being full of b**ches and moaners! I often question decisions and rules on here that I don't persoanally agree with. I try to do so without being a b**ch or moaner (with varying degrees of sucess, lol)! Hyporthetically speaking (I really am over the hitching rule) how much freedom do people think the event organiser or ref should have in a national level comp? Any comp that is a direct (or even indirect) qualifier for a international comp has to be taken seriously (well, as serious as strongman gets). Should an orgainser be allowed to pick 3 overhead events in a 6 event comp? Should they be allowed to introduce new events that are untried and untested? Can they implement any rules changes they like? The line has to be drawn somewhere to ensure people are given a fair oppurtunity to win and/or qualify. Most people would agree that having a national final with a bicep curl for max would be somewhat laughable, but what's to stop promoters picking such events? It's only the opinion of those involved (competitors). It's important that people air their opinions and discuss the pros and cons so it can be agreed what is and isn't acceptable. I think this has been done, with reasonable success on this occasion. I get the impression that the rule has been introduced beacuse of the organisers and refs personal preference and beliefs (They don't like hitching and they think its dangerous; I don't personally agree with that in a national final) but in fairness they have been open about it and invited others to comment. | ||
| Charlie78 | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 22:10 |
Member 4614, 27 posts | ross_stone said:Is this comp britain strongestman u105 best hitcher? or britains strongestman u105 biggest b**ches? lol Hmmm, that was constructive, well done. | ||
| ross_stone | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 23:02 |
a very hunky young man Member 833, 270 posts SQ 350, BP 220, DL 370940.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | Charlie78 said: Hmmm, that was constructive, well done. Hmmm no prob bro | ||
| chaos | | ... | 04-07-2013 @ 23:44 |
 An amazing human being Member 2047, 17156 posts SQ 262.5, BP 170, DL 300732.5 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | At the end of the day si Thomas is week as piss and s**t at scrabble | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 05-07-2013 @ 00:00 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | force10 said: I agree with your point on changing the rule 3 weeks before but also if you look at it from the other angle its putting a rule in place which will hopefully make one event better for many reasons, plus you could argue all day about when a rule should be put in place, the government put new rules in place quite regularly and with less fuss. It's your opinion that it would make it better. That opinion is shared by the organisers obviously but I would bet it isn't by the vast majority of athletes. My opinion would be that it would make it worse. I think putting in technical rules, no matter how well intentioned, just goes against the spirit of the sport. Simple events, lifting from a to b however you can, man against weight, with the minimum of ref interference. That's what the general public can understand. And the general public is who the sport should be aiming to please. Not the purist diehards. The minute you get a lift being made, crowd cheering it only for the ref stepping in to fail it or some technical infringement is the minute you loose the crowds interest. The ref shouldn't be the main show, the athletes should. | ||
| Sparrow | | ... | 05-07-2013 @ 06:56 |
 always lookIng for the extra UT2 work. Member 9, 18279 posts SQ 255, BP 167.5, DL 330752.5 kgs @ 103kgs Eq | WILLSAN said: It's your opinion that it would make it better. That opinion is shared by the organisers obviously but I would bet it isn't by the vast majority of athletes. My opinion would be that it would make it worse. I think putting in technical rules, no matter how well intentioned, just goes against the spirit of the sport. Simple events, lifting from a to b however you can, man against weight, with the minimum of ref interference. That's what the general public can understand. And the general public is who the sport should be aiming to please. Not the purist diehards. The minute you get a lift being made, crowd cheering it only for the ref stepping in to fail it or some technical infringement is the minute you loose the crowds interest. The ref shouldn't be the main show, the athletes should. I have to agree with this. That's why I don't like squats in strongman comps. | ||
| anthonygriff | | ... | 05-07-2013 @ 07:10 |
Member 1991, 138 posts SQ 270, BP 190, DL 330790.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | chaos said:At the end of the day si Thomas is week as piss and s**t at scrabble lol | ||
| Charlie78 | | ... | 05-07-2013 @ 07:31 |
Member 4614, 27 posts | WILLSAN said: It's your opinion that it would make it better. That opinion is shared by the organisers obviously but I would bet it isn't by the vast majority of athletes. My opinion would be that it would make it worse. I think putting in technical rules, no matter how well intentioned, just goes against the spirit of the sport. Simple events, lifting from a to b however you can, man against weight, with the minimum of ref interference. That's what the general public can understand. And the general public is who the sport should be aiming to please. Not the purist diehards. The minute you get a lift being made, crowd cheering it only for the ref stepping in to fail it or some technical infringement is the minute you loose the crowds interest. The ref shouldn't be the main show, the athletes should. Have to agree with this, Strongman primarily is a circus act and by adding technical rules that the public will fail to understand could spoil the 'show' for the spectators which is the last thing you want to happen. | ||
| martinb | | ... | 05-07-2013 @ 08:41 |
 Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | Sparrow said: WILLSAN said: It's your opinion that it would make it better. That opinion is shared by the organisers obviously but I would bet it isn't by the vast majority of athletes. My opinion would be that it would make it worse. I think putting in technical rules, no matter how well intentioned, just goes against the spirit of the sport. Simple events, lifting from a to b however you can, man against weight, with the minimum of ref interference. That's what the general public can understand. And the general public is who the sport should be aiming to please. Not the purist diehards. The minute you get a lift being made, crowd cheering it only for the ref stepping in to fail it or some technical infringement is the minute you loose the crowds interest. The ref shouldn't be the main show, the athletes should. I have to agree with this. That's why I don't like squats in strongman comps. Agree with all of this Anyone got a vid of someone tearing a bicep while hitching strapped? Cause I can't think of ever hearing that happen Also the comp organiser has invited discussion, then completely ignored everyone and said he likes doing things his way. Don't ask people to contribute if you don't care what they say. Force10 if you pull a 340 beautiful dead (and going by your squat vid I bet your deads will be rather nice) and someone else pulls an ugly, hitched to f**k, 3 minute 350, in STRONGMAN they beat you. This hitching thing, and the stupid clean and press in the natty comps are not what strongman is about. Seeing misha full clean the appolon axle was great, but seeing glen ross get it to his shoulders with shear force of will was equally great, but seeing guys use different ways to get the same thing done at the same comp is what makes strongman what it is | ||
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