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JD		improving, chins-	23-08-2007 @ 14:12
Not to be confused with JC Member 60, 366 posts SQ 140, BP 75, DL 150 365.0 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq	ie i need to do more than 1/2 to 1 chin. read in another post this helps with your bench, which i really want to imporove. i can not do a chin, and have been doing some lat pull downs, and close grip pulldowns to try and increase this. any tips on gettin that strength up? cheers

mishima		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:39
pink french superstar beard Member 26, 4030 posts SQ 190, BP 0, DL 205 395.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	Eccentric: start with the chin up bar below your chin, get on a chair or something, and master the descent as slow as possible. If you can do 1 chin up you can do several. Once you'll be able to do more try this: 1set is 1 rep, 2nd set is 2 reps, 3rd set 3 reps. Now lets assume you wont be able to perform 4 reps in a row yet, 4th set would then consist of 2 reps, 5th set 1 rep...... Get my drift? How much do you weight?

Rob		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:48
Does f*ck all for SugdenBarbell.co.uk Member 1, 7174 posts SQ 182.5, BP 110, DL 205 497.5 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq Administrator	I went from being able to do about 1 pull-up to doing 14 by doing them twice a week, once as many reps as possible and another with lower reps and weight added on. Don't be afraid of adding weight early on, even if you can only do doubles or triples - just make up for it with a lot of sets. Also, if you have a band, you can add that to do band assisted pull-ups.

JD		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:50
Not to be confused with JC Member 60, 366 posts SQ 140, BP 75, DL 150 365.0 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq	cheers for info, never thoguht of tryin just going down. i weigh 96kg, tho looking at losenig a few kg's.

Rob		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:51
Does f*ck all for SugdenBarbell.co.uk Member 1, 7174 posts SQ 182.5, BP 110, DL 205 497.5 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq Administrator	Oh, and for the record, chins and bulking do not mix well at all

Icepick		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:55
still a cock Member 55, 1213 posts SQ 50, BP 25, DL 55 130.0 kgs @ 0.1kgs UnEq	Personally, I think you would get more from rows than chins if you're after lat strength for bench.

JD		...	23-08-2007 @ 14:58
Not to be confused with JC Member 60, 366 posts SQ 140, BP 75, DL 150 365.0 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq	also, why do they affect bench? is it not oppersite muscle groups? sorry if i sound dumb lol

Rob		...	23-08-2007 @ 15:04
Does f*ck all for SugdenBarbell.co.uk Member 1, 7174 posts SQ 182.5, BP 110, DL 205 497.5 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq Administrator	I think horizontal and vertical plane are both very important for lat work and all round posture. Louie Simmons has called the chin-up the "squat of the upper body" - so I think the idea here is that it's excellent at builder general upper body mass and strength.

tbench		...	23-08-2007 @ 15:33
addicted to bench press, needs help Member 80, 1384 posts SQ 175, BP 160, DL 240 575.0 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Originally posted by Icepick... Personally, I think you would get more from rows than chins if you're after lat strength for bench. agree with icepick ive never done chins mainly because i havent the gear to do em,squat rack and bench thats all i have,but i do loads of bb,rows db,rows and my bench is going well.

Baz		...	23-08-2007 @ 15:42
Weak training is still training. Member 63, 260 posts SQ 135, BP 110, DL 195 440.0 kgs @ 78kgs UnEq	also, why do they affect bench? is it not oppersite muscle groups? sorry if i sound dumb lol Dont worry i already asked the question for you.. http://sugdenbarbell.co.uk/forum.php?a=615

Cuddles		...	23-08-2007 @ 15:43
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Ive always recommended volume for chins. Not just volume but frequency too. I got upto 10 sets of 10 paused in the bottom at 105kg and have done reps with 40kg around my waist, simply by chinning 3 times a week, adding sets when I could, and then dropping the sets and adding reps, then building the sets back up, then dropping sets/adding reps etc. Many many different ways to go about this, I can outline some of my favourite if you like. Ladders, total tonnage, grease the groove etc all seem to work well, the common theme being volume. Id also agree that adding weight, even if just for doubles, triples and 5s works well. Very well in fact.

Cuddles		...	23-08-2007 @ 15:46
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	One of the things people dont realise about chins and bench is that for good shoulder health, shorter rom and general sturdiness, you want to retract your shoulders hard and back, into the bench. Chins, done properly and strictly are a very good way of improving your shoulder retraction strength. Kelso shrugs on a chin bar are also very good. Squeeze your shoulders together really hard at the top of the movement, as if you were trying to crush a nut.

Neil		...	23-08-2007 @ 16:04
For Kettle, For Country! Member 81, 1706 posts SQ 182.5, BP 120, DL 227.5 530.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	I had trouble with wide grip pull ups and what has been said above worked for me too. Negatives. Jump up above the bar and descend slowly, then jump up again and so on. In the end I was able to pull myself up more and more and now I do 3 sets of 8 at body weight relatively easily. I ought to start adding extra weight but I'm usually knackered after doing heavy deads so take the easy way out...

Fazc		...	23-08-2007 @ 20:16
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts	I'm going to echo whats been suggested about adding weight early. Get some weight on even if you're doing only 1-2 reps with it, that whole area responds well to a little added weight.

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