Time for an u120kg weight class?
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| Gra_Bul |  | ... | 09-05-2012 @ 23:10 |
 I was swinging out of control like an ape Member 1559, 4075 posts SQ 180, BP 100, DL 202.5482.5 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | shanejer said: The thing is graham which i find you always do..... you comapred the BEST ... for example if the above medley was in ESM u90kg 2012 i'd imagine myself, pagan, james ward... glen kerr few (yourself TBH!!) would be a few seconds in it.... but the rest would be far behind.. it DOES seperate people, you don't need a f**king heavy as f**k yoke or something to seperate the best the 50kg less only means the top guys are fast and the bottom guys are slow... s**t how many guys training for the qualifers will get under 20 seconds in the yoke? 70% i'd say I hear you, but I then think that it should be those lads in the comp then simple, let the rest do a lighter comp and get better?? Make it a specialist sport to get to the top and a have a go at local level, then if you excel you have a platform to showcase your talents, I dont think it should be top guys go quick then low guys go slow, it should be top guys can lift the weight and some will finish then rest who cant pick the weight up dont do the comp. Like loading why have it starting at 50kg which is piss poor light make it 4 items at 120kg best finish it some get 4 then 3 etc the weak lads who cant lift a 120kg keg, arent strongmen imo and shouldnt want to enter a strongman comp, like I say I may be being elitist but its simple imo | ||
| shanejer | | ... | 09-05-2012 @ 23:20 |
Member 1307, 14110 posts SQ 355, BP 240, DL 370965.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq | If there was 100's of people involved then maybe but i just don't see it happening i do understand your point though.... but there always has to be weaker guys or people with less absility on certian events it lets everyone relise how heavy and hard everything is aswell as seperates places | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 09-05-2012 @ 23:26 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | http://welovelocalgovernment.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/south... | ||
| RyanH | | ... | 09-05-2012 @ 23:46 |
 Big fish in a small pond Member 1150, 2101 posts | Shanes comparison wasnt comparing your abilities or the fact you (graham) was slow on the yoke. It was showing the comparison of what an audience would see when they turn up to a comp with a heavy yoke. I have watched far more competitions than competed in and i believe shane is right, it was awesome to see him vs brandon on the yoke and some really good battles head to head at speed, that would not of been possible with a stupid weight. | ||
| Luke_Reynolds | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 00:09 |
Member 3070, 170 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 320800.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | terryhollands said: I dunno really. I just think part of being a good strongman is being athletic. If people wanna see guys doing heavy deadlifts, squatting and pressing there is a sport already like that. Also seeing guys putting big weights overhead, there's WL. I think part of what makes strongman entertaining is the running around and conditioning needed to be at the top. Take those away and for me it loses it's appeal a little Terry this is exactly on the money! i'm glad a thread has finally headed in this direction. Robocop you are on it too. i agree with everything you've said in this thread re the arnolds etc. strongman has become powerlifting with a twist. events like 200kg per hand farmers for 10 metres, 500kg yoke for 10metres, max everything. its all so far removed from what strongman is supposed to be its nearly unrecognisable. the arnold did start it and unfortunately everything else has followed suit. there is no longer a strength endurance element anymore. rarely are sheild carries done anymore and certainly not for any respectable distance. stones for reps over a yoke? talk about f**king yawn! | ||
| Robbo | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 07:30 |
 When I have enough cash, I get a deep tissue. Member 465, 11029 posts SQ 240, BP 175, DL 302.5717.5 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | I dont see the problem with having some things heavy and can't see why a yoke or farmers can't be super heavy sometimes. BUT, like I've said before, other events have to find other criteria in the strongman arsenal such as Speed Agility Endurance Too many comps are now 1 dimensional and way to heavy in every event and It really pisses me off as people with other attributes which may not necessarily be max strength don't get awarded for having them and that's what strongman is all about IMO. The general opinion of a lot of people on this forum it seems to me is that heavier is better. People go into training journals and if they don't see mega heavy work being done with pb's flashing up all over the place they arnt interested. Someone can work just as hard shaving a second off 110kg farmers over 40m than they can trying to move 170s but people on here don't want to see that. Anyway, I just hope the more well rounded strongmen will get awarded for being so | ||
| martinb | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 07:55 |
 Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | This was really my point behind u120, the lack of well rounded comps, or comps that looked fun The Serbian comp, or the comp below are far more like it imo (though 400 for the yoke is too heavy imo) http://www.sugdenbarbell.co.uk/forum/UK-Strongman-North-Final-... Comps like those, bodyweight is FAR less a factor imo | ||
| ursus | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 08:28 |
 Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq | Nothing personal.... but watching Shane run with a weight that is far too light for him compared to someone close to dying, giving there all, with nose bleeding pain ,and a feat of strength unseen to most of the human race with half a ton on there back and theres no comparison !!!why pay to watch an event which some average guy out the crowd could do ? Each to there own tho, just my opinion . | ||
| martinb | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 08:44 |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 10.05.2012 @ 08:47 AM by martinb ursus said:Nothing personal.... but watching Shane run with a weight that is far too light for him compared to someone close to dying, giving there all, with nose bleeding pain ,and a feat of strength unseen to most of the human race with half a ton on there back and theres no comparison !!!why pay to watch an event which some average guy out the crowd could do ? Each to there own tho, just my opinion . Personally I would like to see him do this in a comp, because he would beat someone like you at it You are one of the strongest guys in Britain (and as you're natty maybe the world pressing wise) and on a lot of things, you would destroy him, BUT on fitness, speed,mobility, he would smash you That's why I love strongman Sorry, that's why I used to love strongman, its not often like that anymore | ||
| macroth | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 08:55 |
 no longer the Swiss Deadlift record holder Member 3517, 3368 posts SQ 182.5, BP 122.5, DL 255560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | ursus said:Nothing personal.... but watching Shane run with a weight that is far too light for him compared to someone close to dying, giving there all, with nose bleeding pain ,and a feat of strength unseen to most of the human race with half a ton on there back and theres no comparison !!!why pay to watch an event which some average guy out the crowd could do ? Each to there own tho, just my opinion . I know this is the strongest site on Earth, but you've got an inflated opinion of the capabilities of average guys in the crowd. Unless the crowd is solely comprised of other strongmen, which can't be good for the growth of the sport. How many u90's can do what Shane does? Won't most of them waddle down the track going twice as slow? It seems to me the top guys' performance should look like something in between Shane's 260 yoke than Graham's 330, but closer to Shane. (This has nothing to do with either of them, imagine it's the same anonymous guy doing each weight, if that helps) Let the top guys go reasonably fast and the weak guys go slow or fail to finish. But not every event a slow-motion grinder. | ||
| davycummings | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 08:58 |
 he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | ursus said:They did this in boxing and look at the state of that !! Soon ther will be dozens people going round as Britains strongest man/woman/child/muslim/hairdresser/ladyboy/Turk There is something special about strongman and its history and you must be carefull to leave the heart and soul alone . Im all for development and improvement but just dividing and dividing often ends up with nothing left ! I can fully see your point actually, and before trhere were any weight classes my attitude would have been: Leave it alone, If you are not tall you will never be a high jumper, if you are not under 7 stone you will never be a jockey, and if you are not big and strong enough you will never be a strongman, live with it. However, the reason i support u120 now, is becasue of the lighter classes. They have brought their own dimension to the sport and let people compete on a more level playing field. I disagree with the fact that we have classes from 105 and down, but nothing the other way. On a more positive note, the thread has lead to a very interesting discussion about what people think strongman should be. I was thinking about it last night and this morning, as I am reading "Giants and Legends" at the moment. I am with the mix it up more crowd. I think comps should test all aspects of strength, and some of them have been lost recently. Reading Terry's posts, I hope that he does go into promoting shows and developing strongman nationally as he mentioned on another thread, as i agree with everything he has had to say. The same goes for Andy. In both cases i am very plesantly surprised | ||
| chaos | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 09:29 |
 An amazing human being Member 2047, 17156 posts SQ 262.5, BP 170, DL 300732.5 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | ursus said:Nothing personal.... but watching Shane run with a weight that is far too light for him compared to someone close to dying, giving there all, with nose bleeding pain ,and a feat of strength unseen to most of the human race with half a ton on there back and theres no comparison !!!why pay to watch an event which some average guy out the crowd could do ? Each to there own tho, just my opinion . Totally with you on this lady bits! That's what I used to love about watching strongman as a kid (and now), you could see blokes giving it there all, passing out, nose bleeds etc you knew that only the best could do that and that they were giving there all. | ||
| Stetec | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 09:37 |
 Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts | ursus said:They did this in boxing and look at the state of that !! Soon ther will be dozens people going round as Britains strongest man/woman/child/muslim/hairdresser/ladyboy/Turk There is something special about strongman and its history and you must be carefull to leave the heart and soul alone . Im all for development and improvement but just dividing and dividing often ends up with nothing left ! Easy to say at your size. | ||
| martinb | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 09:38 |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | chaos said: Totally with you on this lady bits! That's what I used to love about watching strongman as a kid (and now), you could see blokes giving it there all, passing out, nose bleeds etc you knew that only the best could do that and that they were giving there all. thing is I agree, and we all want to see guys giving 100%, but there are different ways of doing that we all remember Aholas nose exploding deadlifting, but then in the next event he would be showing unbelievable endurance in a medley, nearly dieing at the end. We would see DIFFERENT skills/attributes seeing someone do a max log, a max dead, then a 430 yoke, is all the same imo | ||
| JC | | ... | 10-05-2012 @ 09:38 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | drew said: My gripe is with qualifiers/regionals etc been too heavy dull and unoriginal Which qualifiers do you speak of? I watched/participated in a UKSC qual at the weekend....it was anything but dull!? I'd love to know what all these "super heavy" and "dull" comps are you Scottish lot keep going on about. Outside the elite comps, I've seen one "super heavy" comp posted on here.....the Midlands UKSC qual All other "super heavy" comp I can think of is the Welsh UKSC qual....which is heavy, but not too heavy IMO, and IIRC, has some real quality events | ||
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