Leg Press in Powerlifting Discussion
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| Rob |  | ... | 18-10-2006 @ 21:29 |
 Does f*ck all for SugdenBarbell.co.uk Member 1, 7173 posts SQ 182.5, BP 110, DL 205497.5 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq Administrator | Too late, you missed the boat. It was a photo of him leg pressing. | ||
| Emperor_Naseem | | ... | 19-10-2006 @ 20:13 |
 As seen on t-nation Member 8, 192 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 220515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | Looks like a photo of him standing there being ugly and sweaty to me. Even if he uses the leg press, so what? Doesnt mean to say that the leg press has contributed towards his 900+ deadlifting. | ||
| Joni | | ... | 20-10-2006 @ 08:31 |
 left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | Originally posted by Emperor_Naseem... Even if he uses the leg press, so what? Doesnt mean to say that the leg press has contributed towards his 900+ deadlifting. would there be any way of proving or disproving this anyway? Scientifically, we only know that it does strengthen quads in an efficient way and is thus good for narrow stance leg drive deadlifters. We cant measure the carryover in any other way than look at people who have perhaps trained 20+ years and know what works for them and try to get some idea from that. | ||
| Emperor_Naseem | | ... | 20-10-2006 @ 11:47 |
As seen on t-nation Member 8, 192 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 220515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | Joni, you say it strengthens the quads, but for what? For the leg press, not the squat. Just because someone successful uses one thing, doesnt mean it was that one thing that made them successful, and even if it contributed, we should always be looking for better alternatives. Otherwise sports training would never move forward. | ||
| Joni | | ... | 20-10-2006 @ 11:58 |
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | true, but you are picking on leg press because of some personal vendetta, rather than sound evidence. For instance, you do rotator cuff exercises and justify it by saying it helps your pushing movements because it strenghtens certain weakness. Same goes for people who get a lot out of leg press - it hits their quads albeit in an unnatural and fixed ROM but hits them nevertheless in a pressing motion useful in squat and deadlift leg drive. Personally i dont think i would get much out of them, and i hate them anyway, so you wont catch me doing them any time soon! But i can see why some people choose to do them, especially those who can only do so much lower back recruiting movements. | ||
| Alex | | ... | 20-10-2006 @ 21:56 |
 Picca Boo Member 16, 1204 posts SQ 140, BP 130, DL 200470.0 kgs @ 77kgs UnEq | Originally posted by Emperor_Naseem... Joni, you say it strengthens the quads, but for what? For the leg press, not the squat. You assume there is minimal carryover to the squat, but I don't think this is true. If it strengthens the quads then it will strengthen the squat too, despite the different movement. A stronger muscle is a stronger muscle, regardless. | ||
| Emperor_Naseem | | ... | 22-10-2006 @ 23:25 |
As seen on t-nation Member 8, 192 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 220515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | What personal vendetta against the leg press? The leg press hasn't embarassed me in public or shot any of my family. Not yet anyway. I do rotator cuff exercises to reduce the likelihood of me having f**ked shoulders when I am 40. And also, yes, it is possible for weak external rotators to hold back progress in a lift - weak link in the chain and all..... So leg press isn't really comparable here. If quad strength is holding back your squat and deadlift, which a lot of the time it won't be, but will actually be lower back and p chain strength, then squat variations will hit them enough. "A stronger muscle is a stronger muscle, regardless" This is not true. | ||
| Joni | | ... | 23-10-2006 @ 08:32 |
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | this thread is just going around in circles. I dont understand why dont you cants just accept the "possibility" that it may contribute positively to someones lower body strength? Especially since you dont have any evidence claiming otherwise, and LGBs lower back health is such that she needs to keep an eye on the lower back work. I mean, i am no fan of leg press, dont like it at all and would rather do tons of other exercises, such as front squat. But peoples situations are different, and in LGBs case it was: leg press, or nothing at all, and for sure leg press will be more beneficial to her deadlift and squat than going home. | ||
| Emperor_Naseem | | ... | 23-10-2006 @ 22:32 |
As seen on t-nation Member 8, 192 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 220515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 23.10.2006 @ 22:33 PM If a person's back is injured then leg press is not the answer. It can potentially aggravate the problem, maybe even more than squats. | ||
| Joni | | ... | 24-10-2006 @ 09:14 |
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | that point is actually correct, depending on the injury of course. for instance when i have my stiff vertebrae joint going nuts, i should not do leg press. But when someone is prone to overworking their lower back, dont you think there is a place for leg press then? | ||
| Emperor_Naseem | | ... | 24-10-2006 @ 22:50 |
As seen on t-nation Member 8, 192 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 220515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 24.10.2006 @ 22:51 PM Why, for what reason?By overworking I take it you mean that if a person's back is injured then they should use the leg press as well as the squat because oweing to the injury one cannot squat enough to develop strength. Is this what you mean? If it is then no. If the back is too bad that you can't squat sufficiently, then don't leg press, as like i say, it can make the back problem worse. If the back is too bad that you cant squat, dont leg press, instead, split squat and step up variations are probably the best alternatives for maintaining quad strength whilst being relatively safe for your back. | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 25-10-2006 @ 03:10 |
 Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | I have yet to see any evidence that says that the leg press, when used correctly is bad for your back. I have however seen plenty of evidence to suggest that it is bad when used incorrectly, ie allowing pelvic tilt, rounding of the back etc. However, that is exactly the same as the squat, when performed correctly they're fine, when performed badly, they're not. | ||
| Joni | | ... | 25-10-2006 @ 10:23 |
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | Originally posted by Emperor_Naseem... Why, for what reason? for instance my lower back in certain situations (not now, knock wood), gets overworked easily, that is not an injury, it is injury waiting to happen if i do too much lower back stressing work. | ||