Guy throws non paying passenger of train

baldt said:
has there ever been anyone actually charged, fined, given a criminal record for this?
I doubt it. so there is no real legal deterrent because the law is not enforced.

Carl said:
me neither but im sure your a c**t because your a c**t, rather than because your hunky-chunky

martinb said:not defending the guy at all, he shouldn't have used language like that, but I get a train on that route, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone else had told him his ticket was valid. I have been in that situation a couple of times. I've had a conductor accuse me of evading platform staff (who obviously weren't there) and threaten to throw me off a train (while swearing at me I may add). I've also had station staff blatantly lie to me about a train leaving early, then just turn away and ignore me when I realised and questioned them. Hell one of the station staff at Edinburgh park eyeballs me every single day.

I have never experienced as consistently bad customer service from any other organisation

Cuddles said:
I see people getting fined on the train on a weekly basis.
There are plenty of people who get summoned to court, a hefty fine and a criminal record for this, repeat offenders.

Cuddles said:I think Joni meant, would everyone be so quick to physically force him off the train?

baldt said:
the maximum is £1000 fine or 3 months in prison. why must this only be applied to repeat offenders? dish it out on the 2nd offence, jail them. create a deterrent, watch the rates of crime fall.

davycummings said:
In an ideal world society would not tolerate that kind of behaviour at all, and everyone on the train would be against someone behaving like that, so noone could feel it was ok to behave like that whether they were 6'4 and 20 stone or 4'6 and 8 stone.
Shouldn't matter. If society at large didn't sit back and tolerate beople being like that then it would happen a lot less.
I believe we all have a duty as part of society to challenge antisocial behaviour of all kinds, as it is in the public interest.

davycummings said:
In an ideal world society would not tolerate that kind of behaviour at all, and everyone on the train would be against someone behaving like that, so noone could feel it was ok to behave like that whether they were 6'4 and 20 stone or 4'6 and 8 stone.
Shouldn't matter. If society at large didn't sit back and tolerate beople being like that then it would happen a lot less.
I believe we all have a duty as part of society to challenge antisocial behaviour of all kinds, as it is in the public interest.

baldt said:then you can prove either through CCTV video evidence at the station or using your bank statement. they would not convict. it would not even get to court.

Cuddles said:
I dont disagree one bit.
I will admit though, that I often take the cowards approach. I live in one of the most deproved sreas of London and well, I value my life.

davycummings said:
I totally understand why an individual may be wary of stepping in, particularly in a difficult area. That is where society at large not tolerating these things would make a big difference.
I live in a place that has always had a sense of community and general public intolerance of antisocial behaviour. If you stepped half a step out of line when I was a kid you got a bollocking from whoever saw you, and it would be refered to the local police, or your parents, and neither was an easy option. It meant most people behaved.
I see this being constantly eroded, people are now scared to challenge bad behaviour, they complain about it to all that will listen after the fact, but dont feel they will get backed up if they challenge the situation at the time, and the perpetrator gets agressive (quite common now )
I cant help but challenge it, it is less nice a place than when I grew up, and i dont want it to continue getting worse, I want it to be a decent place for people to continue growing up, not a place where all kinds of c**tish behaviour is tolerated