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brownbear		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:42
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	ursus said:They did this in boxing and look at the state of that !! Soon ther will be dozens people going round as Britains strongest man/woman/child/muslim/hairdresser/ladyboy/Turk There is something special about strongman and its history and you must be carefull to leave the heart and soul alone . Im all for development and improvement but just dividing and dividing often ends up with nothing left ! Looking forward to this comp

Ben_Something		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:42
The legendary Discus Ben Member 1550, 476 posts	martinb said: how many 120 bodyweight, 350 deadlifters, 160 OH do you know? sorry, natty Are we talking about enjoying comps or winning them? You do not need a 350 deadlift or 160 OH to enjoy a open comp, that could well be enough to win it. I have no idea what assistance people choose to use, but I am capable of both those lifts at 105 natty, so there is no reason it cant be done at 120-125

JC		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:44
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: I have no idea what assistance people choose to use, but I am capable of both those lifts at 105 natty, so there is no reason it cant be done at 120-125 Ben, for the above alone, you're an absolute c**t

martinb		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:49
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: Are we talking about enjoying comps or winning them? You do not need a 350 deadlift or 160 OH to enjoy a open comp, that could well be enough to win it. I have no idea what assistance people choose to use, but I am capable of both those lifts at 105 natty, so there is no reason it cant be done at 120-125 A decent English Open, you would need more than 350 & 160 to win IMO Hixxy has A LOT more than that, and didn't win that qual a few weeks back You are far stronger than me, and you may well know a good few people natty that strong if the do athletics, but I don't think there are that many about You are an anomaly around here, when most people say get stronger, they mean something else

JC		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:50
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	martinb said: You are an anomaly around here, when most people say get stronger, they mean something else Do they? When I say you need to get stronger, that is exactly what I mean!

davycummings		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:51
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: My opionion isnt based on how popular the u120 class would be, its based on how popular the 105-open level classes currently are. I think its better to have 2 weight categories with 12 people than 3 with 8. However if strongman starts to attract the numbers to support it, great. Ok, I still disagree as to why the 3 lightweight catagories are fine, but a kind of middleweight one is not Ben_Something said: Are we talking about enjoying comps or winning them? I think both are an issue. You are unlikely to be winning an open at 120. Anyone at any weight catagory under 105 has a title to chase that is a more realistic proposition than winning opens at 120. I know sport is not about winning blah blah, and I compete anyway, knowing full well I will never be a top level open. Would I even be a top level 120, probably not, but i would be more competetive which in a way would make it more fun

slimsim		...	10-05-2012 @ 11:56
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6051 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225 550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: However if you dont have the time/commitment/desire then compete at intermediate level, why should a new category be introduce so people that arent willing to get stronger can be competitive? For exactly the same reason that football has a Sunday league as well as the Premiership. Not everybody has the time or genetics to be able to compete in the opens at a reasonable standard weighting 115kg, irrespective of their commitment and desire. Should they feel excluded on that basis? I don't think so and I don't see how anyone could disagree with that. Stetec said: You say it should stay an "elite" sport, the problem with that is it excludes people who are not elite. Exclusion is exactly what this sport doesn't need. It needs more numbers and should be bending over backwards to get more people involved NOT less. THIS! Taking something from an underground level to the mainstream by making it more accessible and popular HAS to be a good thing. Would a 120kg class do this. Probably, as more of the "little" big guys may be willing to compete due to not feeling out of their depth. It would also cater for the newer recruits to dip their toe in the water and help remove the whole intermediate/novice headache "you shouldn't be doing this cos you can deadlift 280kg" type bulls**t.

Ben_Something		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:03
The legendary Discus Ben Member 1550, 476 posts	slimsim said: For exactly the same reason that football has a Sunday league as well as the Premiership. Not everybody has the time or genetics to be able to compete in the opens at a reasonable standard weighting 115kg, irrespective of their commitment and desire. Should they feel excluded on that basis? I don't think so and I don't see how anyone could disagree with that. Then we are in agreement...not everyone can compete in the premership (national level comps in strongman) but that doesnt mean they should be excluded, that can choose to compete in a sunday league (intermediate, regional, charity comps).

Darryl		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:05
Member 3594, 15 posts SQ 220, BP 220, DL 260 700.0 kgs @ 135kgs UnEq	I personally would like a 120 class just because the weights would not be so far away from mine but if im honest, if I was to place in a comp then would I be happy knowing the weights were lower. It is the strongest man and although the events may not be exciting, by virtue of the name its who can move the most weight imo therefore the strongest. I do find it weird that there are 3 weight classes within 25kg and they should be spread out more if it is to be fairer

thosebananas		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:05
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: Presumably Glen intends to make this years finals heavier and more static again? From what glen has been doing ans saying over here I'd say the uk finals will feature Max axle dead Max axle snatch Push pull medly along the lines of: 130 log / 200 power stair 78 DB / 225 power stair 150 axle / 250 power stair A hold for time 400+ yoke That's me making a few assumptions based on the events he is putting on here and saying he is trying to give the irish guys a feel for the finals..

Ben_F		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:08
vegetarian with a big deadlift - who would have thought... Member 340, 13300 posts SQ 315, BP 190, DL 350 855.0 kgs @ 115kgs UnEq	thosebananas said: From what glen has been doing ans saying over here I'd say the uk finals will feature Max axle dead Max axle snatch Push pull medly along the lines of: 130 log / 200 power stair 78 DB / 225 power stair 150 axle / 250 power stair A hold for time 400+ yoke That's me making a few assumptions based on the events he is putting on here and saying he is trying to give the irish guys a feel for the finals.. Should have had snatch as an elimnator at the quals then because it doesn't matter how much you squat if you cant perform a snatch you're f**ked! lol

martinb		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:09
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: Should have had snatch as an elimnator at the quals then because it doesn't matter how much you squat if you cant perform a snatch you're f**ked! lol I would even go so far as to say the strongmen with the biggest squats may look silliest doing the snatch due to flexibility issues

davycummings		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:13
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: Then we are in agreement...not everyone can compete in the premership (national level comps in strongman) but that doesnt mean they should be excluded, that can choose to compete in a sunday league (intermediate, regional, charity comps). Unless you weight under 105kg, then you have lots of options to compete in a national level comp. I cant see how you can have a stance that supports 3 catagories within 25kg of each other, and then no more after that. If there are no weight catagories at all then fine, just have different level comps and guys will do what they can, like the football structure, start at the bottom and move up if you win (even back down if you are close to bottom and want to) like promotion/relegation. No problem with that. I just dont see how we can have 3 national champions weighing u105kg, then only the top open after that. Its not well balanced imo. And I would be saying that if I was 90kg or 190kg

slimsim		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:16
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6051 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225 550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Ben_Something said: Then we are in agreement...not everyone can compete in the premership (national level comps in strongman) but that doesnt mean they should be excluded, that can choose to compete in a sunday league (intermediate, regional, charity comps). But should the weight of the competitor alone mean they are relegated to being classed as some sort of sub-standard athlete? Maybe using football isn't a good analogy and boxing, weightlifting, judo or any one of numerous sports defined by weight categories would have been better. Ursus mentioned boxing being diluted due to 5 different governing bodies and probably 10+ weight catergories, many of which are only a few pounds different in the ligher classes, well nobody is suggesting that. 1 governing body would be a good start and 5 weight classes is hardly in the same ballpark. Some come argue on here that Shane is one of the best (non-professional) strongman in the UK currently based on his domination of the u80's event and hopefully, an opportunity to compete on the world stage at the Arnold's u175lbs. Should he be stuck doing charity comps, regional comps etc, or have a platform to showcase his abilities?

thosebananas		...	10-05-2012 @ 12:17
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 10.05.2012 @ 12:19 PM by thosebananas Ben_F said: Should have had snatch as an elimnator at the quals then because it doesn't matter how much you squat if you cant perform a snatch you're f**ked! lol The snatch is going to be ridiculous. Currently the chat is that it will be judged by 2 WL judges so no press outs/muscle snatchs etc which is just going to lead to more moaning between competitors.. And a total bore fest for the crowd. I would honestily think that 110 will win it if the guys wrists don't snap before. I have the flexibility for a full snatch. PB of 105. But fail anything over 70 on the axle. Such a bizare event. The idea bwhind it is that's it the olympics year so let's do something because of it which I think is a good idea. How about clean+press/jerk with an olympic bar? That's never in strongman events and would be interesting to see what the top uk strongmen can do. There may be 170-180 c+js which is closer to what follk will see on tv at the olympics than 100 axle snatch.

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