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chaosIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:44 
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martinb said:
thing is I agree, and we all want to see guys giving 100%, but there are different ways of doing that
we all remember Aholas nose exploding deadlifting, but then in the next event he would be showing unbelievable endurance in a medley, nearly dieing at the end. We would see DIFFERENT skills/attributes
seeing someone do a max log, a max dead, then a 430 yoke, is all the same imo


Ahola was an absolute beast and awesome to watch, that's the sort of athlete i wanna see! Plus he had that david and goliath thing, he was fairly small but could outlift some of the monsters! he was the complete strongman package! Forgotten the point i was trrying to make now Roll-Eyes
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ursus said:Nothing personal.... but watching Shane run with a weight that is far too light for him compared to someone close to dying, giving there all, with nose bleeding pain ,and a feat of strength unseen to most of the human race with half a ton on there back and theres no comparison !!!why pay to watch an event which some average guy out the crowd could do ?
Each to there own tho, just my opinion .


I knew why I loved you JP Grin


I agree in part in part with Robbo, as long as the weights are still ''moderately'' heavy in the agility stuff, I think running around at 100mph with weights that can to quote the the famous twins ''snap all your s**t up'' is dangerous, I think moderate to heavy events means you have to get your head in gear and try your best otherwise it can all go wrong, if its very light you can take it steady so to speak and may have a bit of a complacent attitude and not respect the weight, and thats when things go wrong, im not talking increase it by 50kg, its just lets say not having a medley start with a 60kg keg or sandbag make it 80-90kg for 3 items and the last one 100kg plus and all of a sudden its gets more interesting, I love Robbos's attitude though he likes to make his time up on the transitions between items in medleys, which is where I think the speed and fitness comes into play.
StetecIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:46 
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Lets get some clarity: Do we have 90s, 105s and opens because thats where the majority are weight wise? Open is another word for unlimited really and as has already been said, there's too much of a void jumping from 16 stone is to competing with potentially 30st beasts. There needs to be a stepping stone to level the playing field. Either that or move all weight classes up a bit, ie: 100, 120 then 'opens'. That way theres not too many classes to dilute it. Thats not to say comp organisers can't throw on other comps and call them what they want size related or other. Time to move with the times. Top strongmen are huge where as they didn't use to be as much. So move the categories up to suit.
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chaos said:
Totally with you on this lady bits! That's what I used to love about watching strongman as a kid (and now), you could see blokes giving it there all, passing out, nose bleeds etc you knew that only the best could do that and that they were giving there all.

But was it really like that when you were a kid. (Christ, that must have been in the pre-Capes and JPS era - Eugen Sandow a favorite of yours was he?!! Grin Wink)

From what I remember when me and my family used to watch WSM when I was growing up none of us thought that the feats of strength were mediocre by any stretch of the imagination, yet now, 20 odd years on, we have u90's lifting heavier weights and saying they are too light.

To further what Macroth says, the average guy in the crowd, if not a strongman, would not be able to bench 60kg, squat 80kg or deadlift 100kg. To watch someone run with 270kg is beyond their comprehension, just as watching someone waddle with 330kg is. Yeah, keep some heavy/max events but make some more athletic. It'll keep injuries down, keep competitors in the sport longer and still looks bloody good to watch
Gra_BulIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:51 
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Stetec said:Lets get some clarity: Do we have 90s, 105s and opens because thats where the majority are weight wise? Open is another word for unlimited really and as has already been said, there's too much of a void jumping from 16 stone is to competing with potentially 30st beasts. There needs to be a stepping stone to level the playing field. Either that or move all weight classes up a bit, ie: 100, 120 then 'opens'. That way theres not too many classes to dilute it. Thats not to say comp organisers can't throw on other comps and call them what they want size related or other. Time to move with the times. Top strongmen are huge where as they didn't use to be as much. So move the categories up to suit.


ive been saying this for a while but people throw the dieting down card, 105's would then drop to 100kg to win BSM lets say, and then u90 lads would be pushed out of the sport.
I think and I keep saying it that the yank system is the best way to go
martinbIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:53 
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chaos said:
Ahola was an absolute beast and awesome to watch, that's the sort of athlete i wanna see! Plus he had that david and goliath thing, he was fairly small but could outlift some of the monsters! he was the complete strongman package! Forgotten the point i was trrying to make now Roll-Eyes


haha so do I

but IMO there is no place for him in modern strongman, as the events no longer test all the attributes he had
chaosIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:53 
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Just out of interest how many 160k+ beasts are there in the uk circuit?

rich smith, terry, man bear, mad mike? Not that many I don't think!

I'm not sure we need u120 as a stepping stone to Opens but as soemone said before a intermediate open level!

Why doesn't someone just run a comp like Ben did with classic last year and have a u120 category in it as well. You then have everyone mixing it togehter and you could then judge if it is really necessary! Robbo won it and weighed 110ish and he beat some pretty good open's (granted rich smith and liam had to pul out)!
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Gra_Bul said:
I knew why I loved you JP Grin
I agree in part in part with Robbo, as long as the weights are still ''moderately'' heavy in the agility stuff, I think running around at 100mph with weights that can to quote the the famous twins ''snap all your s**t up'' is dangerous, I think moderate to heavy events means you have to get your head in gear and try your best otherwise it can all go wrong, if its very light you can take it steady so to speak and may have a bit of a complacent attitude and not respect the weight, and thats when things go wrong, im not talking increase it by 50kg, its just lets say not having a medley start with a 60kg keg or sandbag make it 80-90kg for 3 items and the last one 100kg plus and all of a sudden its gets more interesting, I love Robbos's attitude though he likes to make his time up on the transitions between items in medleys, which is where I think the speed and fitness comes into play.


Cheers Gra. I just love doing stuff like this as much as anything else and the crowd love it too

0:30 and 2:05 and would like to see more of it. Moderate weights and speed and a bit of skill and technique

StetecIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:54 
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Post Edited: 10.05.2012 @ 09:56 AM by Stetec
Gra_Bul said:
ive been saying this for a while but people throw the dieting down card, 105's would then drop to 100kg to win BSM lets say, and then u90 lads would be pushed out of the sport.
I think and I keep saying it that the yank system is the best way to go


Not really as the 90s guys would move into the 100 class and the 105s upto 120. Just because the yanks do it doesn't mean it suits every nation! I think most of the top 105s now would struggle to get to 100 and keep their strength. And if they do, they weren't true 105s in the first place. In effect it would make things more difficult for 105s as they would have to compete in the 120s therefore against guys with a bit more beef rather than guys who should really be in the 90s/100s.
JCIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:54 
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Gra_Bul said:
I knew why I loved you JP Grin
I agree in part in part with Robbo, as long as the weights are still ''moderately'' heavy in the agility stuff,


this would be my big fear

I would have no interest in SM if we went back to medleys, with for example, 300KG Tyre x 8 Flips + 260 Yoke x 20m + 100KG Farmers x 20m

Dog s**t IMO
chaosIcon...10-05-2012 @ 09:56 
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slimsim said:
But was it really like that when you were a kid. (Christ, that must have been in the pre-Capes and JPS era - Eugen Sandow a favorite of yours was he?!! Grin Wink)
From what I remember when me and my family used to watch WSM when I was growing up none of us thought that the feats of strength were mediocre by any stretch of the imagination, yet now, 20 odd years on, we have u90's lifting heavier weights and saying they are too light.
To further what Macroth says, the average guy in the crowd, if not a strongman, would not be able to bench 60kg, squat 80kg or deadlift 100kg. To watch someone run with 270kg is beyond their comprehension, just as watching someone waddle with 330kg is. Yeah, keep some heavy/max events but make some more athletic. It'll keep injuries down, keep competitors in the sport longer and still looks bloody good to watch


wa**er! Not far wrong though!!!!! WSM when I was younger wasn't really about the weight of things it was the odd shaped objects that looked mega heavy! It was more entertaining as a kid. Now I kno about wieghts and things I haver a slightly different perspective but above all it needs to be entertaining cos if it isn't you may as well just show off to your mates how strong you are in the gym than breaking your back doing competitions!
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Stetec said:
Easy to say at your size.


Dont miss quote me mate,i am not in favour of 'MORE' weight classes being added !!!i am not condemming lighter weight classes but we have enough at the moment !
Leave the sport as it was meant to be for the strong guys wether they be 90kg make it heavy ,105 make it heavy,opens make it heavy .
Do not turn this sport into a sport where the crowd are thinking ,"id piss that"
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JC said:
this would be my big fear
I would have no interest in SM if we went back to medleys, with for example, 300KG Tyre x 8 Flips + 260 Yoke x 20m + 100KG Farmers x 20m
Dog s**t IMO


spot on
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JC said:
this would be my big fear
I would have no interest in SM if we went back to medleys, with for example, 300KG Tyre x 8 Flips + 260 Yoke x 20m + 100KG Farmers x 20m
Dog s**t IMO


Agree its not that entertainign wathcing everyone run around with stuff without a breaking a sweat!
martinbIcon...10-05-2012 @ 10:00 
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Ursus, where is this crowd of supermen you keep referring to, and JC, nobody is advocating a return to weights like that, did you just not enjoy WSM up until a few years ago?

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