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AaronJIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:07 
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Fazc said:Deadlift is more stressful because people generally pull from a dead stop from the floor. So why do it? Pull each rep touch n go.

No one's failing from the floor anyway (on a conventional).


I actually find touch n go more stressful! But that's just me.
PhillippeHalterIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:09 
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Fazc said:Deadlift is more stressful because people generally pull from a dead stop from the floor. So why do it? Pull each rep touch n go.

No one's failing from the floor anyway (on a conventional).


Can you touch and go without technique and all the activation unaffected and unchanged

I see bounce and go but am personally yet to see t and g that was always with good form
AMH_PowerIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:10 
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PhillippeHalter said:fried CNS

Grin

Right... Same for squat and half for deads... Cool.

Now that I think about it I thought you was going to say x.75 for squat and x.5 for deads

Great

Again solid template... Then from there more advances can be made like you say!

Great advice as always


I don't know your current lifts... but for advanced lifters I'd recommend building up to week one, by having 3 week prior of a week hitting 30, then 40, then 50.... then start week 1.
Advanced lifters usually need an accumulation phase especially after a rest or off season type stuff....
However beginner/intermediates can mug off a prep phase, just FYI.
FazcIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:10 
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JohnGym said:
I do. Unhappy


John Happy

What I mean to say is if you're failing from the floor it's the equivalent of getting pinned on the Bench.

The problem there is either :

1) The weight is just unreasonably heavy.
2) Your form went to hell on a max attempt, not unusual.

A proper failed lift will usually start to slow at the upper shins and maybe fail at knees or a little higher.
FazcIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:11 
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PhillippeHalter said:
Can you touch and go without technique and all the activation unaffected and unchanged
I see bounce and go but am personally yet to see t and g that was always with good form


Just like anything isn't it, proper technique is needed.
PhillippeHalterIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:13 
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AMH_Power said:
I don't know your current lifts... but for advanced lifters I'd recommend building up to week one, by having 3 week prior of a week hitting 30, then 40, then 50.... then start week 1.
Advanced lifters usually need an accumulation phase especially after a rest or off season type stuff....
However beginner/intermediates can mug off a prep phase, just FYI.


The knowledge again...!

Right if I meet any advanced lifters I will also tell them this... Although I do try to avoid them if I can! Grin
JohnGymIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:14 
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Fazc said:
John Happy
What I mean to say is if you're failing from the floor it's the equivalent of getting pinned on the Bench.
The problem there is either :
1) The weight is just unreasonably heavy.
2) Your form went to hell on a max attempt, not unusual.
A proper failed lift will usually start to slow at the upper shins and maybe fail at knees or a little higher.


You are probably right mate. You know your s**t of course.

In my experience though, pretty much anything I break from the floor I can finish. It's extremely rare for me to fail anything after it breaks.
PhillippeHalterIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:15 
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Fazc said:
Just like anything isn't it, proper technique is needed.


Which is extremely difficult on bounce and go deadlifts... For me anyway

Like I say though (I think I said) it makes complete sense from a movement perspective

I love a bit of movement comparison!
FazcIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:19 
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JohnGym said:
You are probably right mate. You know your s**t of course.
In my experience though, pretty much anything I break from the floor I can finish. It's extremely rare for me to fail anything after it breaks.


It's just what I've seen in my own lifting, and with the guys I train with. Was at a competition the other weekend and quite a few third attempts were basically upper shin to knee and lost it. But you know we're all individuals.

Saw your recent Bench PR on the YouTubes mate very good!
JohnGymIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:20 
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Fazc said:
Saw your recent Bench PR on the YouTubes mate very good!


Thanks mate.
I refer back to your bench tips....I got fat. Grin
FazcIcon...07-03-2015 @ 22:38 
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JohnGym said:
Thanks mate.
I refer back to your bench tips....I got fat. Grin


Ha! That is the way forward!

Good lifting man, I'm a wreck at the moment injuries everywhere and been off for a couple weeks. Will be back in the gym on Monday.
frankie1parkeIcon...08-03-2015 @ 09:38 
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where you fail on dl is dependant on back position in my experience and what ive observed with others. a lifter who keeps his back flat will struggle/fail off the floor and but will complete to lift if they get it moving. however a rounded back lifter will always have it fly off the floor but will struggle/fail at lockout.
DomRedshawIcon...08-03-2015 @ 10:40 
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for me it was changing to close grip and weight gain.
AaronJIcon...08-03-2015 @ 13:41 
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Looks like I'm going to have to put AMH's plan on hold for a few days. Strained one of my erectors warming up on squats this morning!
StrengthStudentIcon...08-03-2015 @ 19:02 
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frankie1parke said:where you fail on dl is dependant on back position in my experience and what ive observed with others. a lifter who keeps his back flat will struggle/fail off the floor and but will complete to lift if they get it moving. however a rounded back lifter will always have it fly off the floor but will struggle/fail at lockout.


This.

Also, regarding T&G deadlifts, I tried them out for the first time about a month or so back just out of curiosity. Does anyone think they carry over well to a 1RM? Video of how I was doing them:



They definitely allow you to get more volume in (I.e. I would probably only get 12 or so reps with 150 dead stop as opposed to 19 T&G) and I know lifters like George Leeman swear by them.

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