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This thread has been closed by a moderator. Replies are no longer possible.| Wayne_Cowdrey |  | ... | 02-06-2010 @ 22:14 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22073 posts | Mr_Ben said: does muscle mature Interesting question. I think it's more to do with giving tendons etc a proper chance to develop over time. | ||
| Stetec | | ... | 03-06-2010 @ 21:20 |
 Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts | As I understand it, the muscle fibres become stronger over time through conditioning. Young, as in relatively fresh muscle is more fragile. Or I could be talking bollox thats just what I've always been lead to believe. | ||
| MattGriff | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 10:17 |
 Member 194, 3976 posts | It is a combination really, when there is talk of someone 'tearing a bicep' this 9/10 refers to the bicep ripping away from the connective tissues as opposed to a tear in the actual muscle itself. Consistent bad form on things such as the deadlift will pressurise this as will copious amounts of steroid use from a young age, the muscle develops and matures much faster than the tendons and ligaments which steroids can have a degenerative effect on have chance too - guys who steadily build strength overtime tend to suffer less injuries, as while gear does cause weakening of tendons and ligaments this is offset more than enough by progressive overloading, however when done to fast this lengthy process does not have adequate time. | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 18:38 |
 Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | How does gear weaken tendons Griff? Not a leading question, I just genuinely have no idea. I could see how the tendons wouldnt gain strength while the muscle does, but am struggling to see how something like testosterone would weaken a tendon. | ||
| MattGriff | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 22:28 |
Member 194, 3976 posts | Cuddles said:How does gear weaken tendons Griff? Not a leading question, I just genuinely have no idea. I could see how the tendons wouldnt gain strength while the muscle does, but am struggling to see how something like testosterone would weaken a tendon. Excessive testosterone reduces collagen synthesis by around 50% if not more, collagen makes up tendons and the reduction in synthesis is effectivly like having the collagen synthesis rate of a pensioner. This coupled with heavy lifting can cause inury, it is effectly like having the skelatal muscle of a Gorilla with the tendons of an old man. | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 22:32 |
 Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | Matt, am I right in saying certain steroids increase collagen synthesis... equipoise I believe? | ||
| bignige1986 | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 23:19 |
 Taleban says his views on women are extreme Member 639, 3518 posts SQ 10, BP 10, DL 1030.0 kgs @ 10kgs Eq | BigKen said:Matt, am I right in saying certain steroids increase collagen synthesis... equipoise I believe? Hgh, clenbuterol, equipoise etc etc | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 23:20 |
Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | Ah ok, cheers mate. Knew I read that somewhere. | ||
| Mr_Ben | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 23:29 |
 Member 1216, 194 posts SQ 240, BP 160, DL 280680.0 kgs @ 115kgs UnEq | Excessive testosterone reduces collagen synthesis by around 50% if not more Out of interest how many mg per week would be considered excessive testosterone ? Does the problem get worse the more you take or is any amount over baseline bad for the tendons ? | ||
| bignige1986 | | ... | 04-06-2010 @ 23:51 |
Taleban says his views on women are extreme Member 639, 3518 posts SQ 10, BP 10, DL 1030.0 kgs @ 10kgs Eq | Mr_Ben said: Out of interest how many mg per week would be considered excessive testosterone ? Does the problem get worse the more you take or is any amount over baseline bad for the tendons ? Depends i think mate, bbers take the biscuit when it comes to abuse ive heard of pros on 5000mgs a week and upto 20iu hgh and 40iu insulin  Think anythin above 2000mgs a week would do the trick as matt said | ||
| Col_Austin | | ... | 05-06-2010 @ 00:09 |
99.8 340/220/335 895 Member 1002, 1560 posts | bignige1986 said: Depends i think mate, bbers take the biscuit when it comes to abuse ive heard of pros on 5000mgs a week This is a lot. bignige1986 said: and upto 20iu hgh and 40iu insulin This is not. | ||
| Mr_Ben | | ... | 05-06-2010 @ 00:29 |
Member 1216, 194 posts SQ 240, BP 160, DL 280680.0 kgs @ 115kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 05.06.2010 @ 01:17 AM by Mr_Ben Depends i think mate, bbers take the biscuit when it comes to abuse ive heard of pros on 5000mgs a week and upto 20iu hgh and 40iu insulin 5000mgs a week is a scary amount of test and it blows my mind how much the big guys take, I realy wonder where they put it all. I am not anti steroid by any means but also see the benefit and challenge of developing strength naturaly. I know steroid use is rarely talked about for good reason in some cases but presume the strongest guys in the world must be jacked or they wouldnt be the best they could be. I like kevin Nee but looking at his freaky shoulders and general physique I have to guess that he is well juiced up. I realy feel that his injuries must be related to steroid use as has allready been alluded to. I suppose it might be best for him to hold back a tiny bit in his training to avoid injuries but it must be hard when constantly trying to push for more strength, not easy to strike a balance I would presume. | ||
| bignige1986 | | ... | 05-06-2010 @ 02:26 |
Taleban says his views on women are extreme Member 639, 3518 posts SQ 10, BP 10, DL 1030.0 kgs @ 10kgs Eq | Col_Austin said: This is not. Mate !! Are you drunk ?? 20iu of growth plus 40iu of inny is huuuuuuuge Kevin levrone had 10iu with every meal so you can imagine what he was on a day but average joe nutcase takes upto 40!!!! I once saw a pro bber consume 56 slices of bread and 2 huge indian takeways to himself this was purely to carb up hahaha and juice wow from what i recall he injected 56ml a week consisting of bloody allsorts | ||
| siovrhyl | | ... | 05-06-2010 @ 03:28 |
 Wales strongest man 2012 Member 548, 1197 posts SQ 300, BP 195, DL 360855.0 kgs @ 128kgs Eq | bignige1986 said: Hgh, clenbuterol, equipoise etc etc i beleive deca is one of them as well | ||
| Col_Austin | | ... | 05-06-2010 @ 12:29 |
99.8 340/220/335 895 Member 1002, 1560 posts | bignige1986 said: Mate !! Are you drunk ?? 20iu of growth plus 40iu of inny is huuuuuuuge Kevin levrone had 10iu with every meal so you can imagine what he was on a day but average joe nutcase takes upto 40!!!! I once saw a pro bber consume 56 slices of bread and 2 huge indian takeways to himself this was purely to carb up hahaha and juice wow from what i recall he injected 56ml a week consisting of bloody allsorts You said per week. Did you mean per day? | ||