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Stetec		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:16
Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts	ursus said: i promise you if you make a 120kg comp , within a year a 140 class will turn up,then a 110 and so on and so on. Its not necessary ,Jcs doing open comps ,Bish and others and doing very well once you get to the top of the 105s move on ........simple! Some of the 105s are huge huge guys and too strong and would do amazing in opens . Some but not many and it remains to be seen how well they do. And no the categories wouldn't continue to change as the size of the top athletes has plateau'd (spelling?) out and is unlikely to go much higher in the near future so on that basis there will be no need to change them again. Just needs a bit of a reshake I think.

martinb		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:16
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	davycummings said: JC said: What do you think of the WSM weights The yoke weight for example, at WSM (440 was it?) seemed spot on too me. Some flew with it, some went moderately fast, and some struggled....bob on IMO That is what i like to see actually. Some do it well, others do ok and some struggle. it shows it is heavy. Like a loading or oh medley, only the best few should do all the things imo. Say a couple do 2 items, most do 3 and are decided on speed and a few beasts do 4, perfect imo. yup, those are the best in the world doing 440 how heavy was that yoke we did a few weeks back? are we the best in the world(anyone in Scotland)?

Stetec		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:18
Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts	@Ursus with respect. you're smack bang in the middle weight wise of the top opens and the guys who are 120 ish, if you were trying to progress out of the 105s at that weight you'd sing a different tune.

ursus		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:23
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	Stetec said:@Ursus with respect. you're smack bang in the middle weight wise of the top opens and the guys who are 120 ish, if you were trying to progress out of the 105s at that weight you'd sing a different tune. Bulls**t ,i want whats best for the sport not whats best for me !!

ursus		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:26
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	in anycase why should the sport change for the individuals . In sport, you try yo get to the top ...you dont try and see if they can make it easier for you by changing the rules

JC		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:29
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	terryhollands said: I will use the uk's 105's last year as an example, we made the farmers too heavy, loads of guys struggled and it looked like s**t, where 10-15kg lighter would have been much better I dont wish to sound rude, but many (maybe most) of the top 105s werent there Paul had prob got the weight right were they there

JC		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:30
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	ursus said: Bulls**t ,i want whats best for the sport not whats best for me !! I suppose this is MY huge issue with a 120 cat! Do the advocates want it because its best for SM longevity and prosperity, or because its best for them and their aspirations

davycummings		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:30
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	ursus said: Stetec said:@Ursus with respect. you're smack bang in the middle weight wise of the top opens and the guys who are 120 ish, if you were trying to progress out of the 105s at that weight you'd sing a different tune. Bulls**t ,i want whats best for the sport not whats best for me !! If you look at Jay, he is someone who started out many years ago at about 10 stone iirc (sorry if thats wrong mate, but remember you saying it and posting a pic) and has managed over a number of years to become very big and strong, carrying a personal goal to become as big and strong as possible. What has been achieved is super impressive, both size and strength, but it wouldn't be for me. I started out a similar size, but feel i am close to as big as I want to be. I will compete at opens and do my best at the level I am and keep enjoying it. if a 120 comp comes up i will do it. I would like to see 120 comps because of the lighter BW comps that exist, he wouldn't, both would like to see what they think would be good for the sport, we just dont happen agree on what it is.

terryhollands		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:30
9x WSM finalist! Member 662, 3372 posts	JC said: I dont wish to sound rude, but many (maybe most) of the top 105s werent there Paul had prob got the weight right were they there The frame was the same the year before too. I just think sometimes slightly less weight makes the contest more entertaining

Stetec		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:31
Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts	ursus said:in anycase why should the sport change for the individuals . In sport, you try yo get to the top ...you dont try and see if they can make it easier for you by changing the rules Changing the weight categories doesn't change the rules or sport of strongman. It's called evolving with the times the same as every sport has historically. Sticking with tradition for traditions sake keeps us in the stone age!

davycummings		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:32
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	JC said: I suppose this is MY huge issue with a 120 cat! Do the advocates want it because its best for SM longevity and prosperity, or because its best for them and their aspirations Both if I am honest. It would give me more comps that I could do, and I believe it would benefit the sport also. Have 80, 90 and 105 helped or hindered it in your opinion JC? And did you support those catagories introduction? If yes, why that and not 120, if no, have you changed your mind at all?

davycummings		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:34
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	ursus said:in anycase why should the sport change for the individuals . In sport, you try yo get to the top ...you dont try and see if they can make it easier for you by changing the rules I think at the top level the sport has always changed for individuals. It used to at BSM too

JC		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:36
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 10.05.2012 @ 10:36 AM by JC davycummings said: Both if I am honest. It would give me more comps that I could do, and I believe it would benefit the sport also. Have 80, 90 and 105 helped or hindered it in your opinion JC? And did you support those catagories introduction? If yes, why that and not 120, if no, have you changed your mind at all? I dont think 80 AND 90 are required if you want my honest opinion.....one or the other I was strongly AGAINST the u90 cat when the idea was first discussed. I am happy to admit I got that badly wrong though, I thought it would be piss light weights, and not worthy of the "strongman" title. Bests like Shane, James, Macca, Pagan, Eric Sahin et al have proved me very wrong indeed

ursus		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:36
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	davycummings said: If you look at Jay, he is someone who started out many years ago at about 10 stone iirc (sorry if thats wrong mate, but remember you saying it and posting a pic) and has managed over a number of years to become very big and strong, carrying a personal goal to become as big and strong as possible. What has been achieved is super impressive, both size and strength, but it wouldn't be for me. I started out a similar size, but feel i am close to as big as I want to be. I will compete at opens and do my best at the level I am and keep enjoying it. if a 120 comp comes up i will do it. I would like to see 120 comps because of the lighter BW comps that exist, he wouldn't, both would like to see what they think would be good for the sport, we just dont happen agree on what it is. correct, and a very fair comment mate .

Stetec		...	10-05-2012 @ 10:38
Thing thinks he can decide what goes here. He cant Member 354, 1452 posts	ursus said:in anycase why should the sport change for the individuals . In sport, you try yo get to the top ...you dont try and see if they can make it easier for you by changing the rules You say you're not being selfish when you in fact are buddy. Because you believe and therefore assume that everyone wants to progress to being 20 stone plus and if they don't want to do that then they shouldn't compete in strongman. So what do the folk who neither want to be that big but are heavier than 105 do? Not compete?

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