Safety Squat Bar
Tom_Martin said:
I squat exactly the same way on either regular or safety bar. This definitely puts more stress on your back when using a safety bar, buri have a strong back so it makes less difference for me than others.
Its helped my unequipped squat and it's helped my shoulders. Time will tell if my equipped squat goes up. That's more likely to be due to doing equipped Squats though...
I squat exactly the same way on either regular or safety bar. This definitely puts more stress on your back when using a safety bar, buri have a strong back so it makes less difference for me than others.
Its helped my unequipped squat and it's helped my shoulders. Time will tell if my equipped squat goes up. That's more likely to be due to doing equipped Squats though...
have you used the SSB in equipment?
tz1127 said:
have you used the SSB in equipment?
have you used the SSB in equipment?
No and unless I had a decent bar, I probably won't try it for the above reason!
Tom_Martin said:
No and unless I had a decent bar, I probably won't try it for the above reason!
No and unless I had a decent bar, I probably won't try it for the above reason!
I am not sure if this is more/less dangerous then a s**t SSB, but an interesting idea and probably useful for those of us who can't afford one.
Shaun25/01/11 @ 21:55
Shaun said:I don't see what the SSB does that a regular bar doesn't do.
Allows you to challenge back/core a bit more as the leverages is more awkard. also can be used to work around shoulder/elbow injury.
Shaun25/01/11 @ 22:34
But deadlifting will give you a strong back. And a strong core, too.
I've always been sceptical of the use of the SSB as a means to improve the squat after I read a Dave Tate article where he was talking about his time at Westside. He said that, on his first time ever using the SSB, people who squatted much less than him with a normal bar were squatting much more than him with the SSB. I don't think that's the effect that Dave was going for in his article but I'm always sceptical of all these specialised bars.
I've always been sceptical of the use of the SSB as a means to improve the squat after I read a Dave Tate article where he was talking about his time at Westside. He said that, on his first time ever using the SSB, people who squatted much less than him with a normal bar were squatting much more than him with the SSB. I don't think that's the effect that Dave was going for in his article but I'm always sceptical of all these specialised bars.
Shaun said:But deadlifting will give you a strong back. And a strong core, too.
I've always been sceptical of the use of the SSB as a means to improve the squat after I read a Dave Tate article where he was talking about his time at Westside. He said that, on his first time ever using the SSB, people who squatted much less than him with a normal bar were squatting much more than him with the SSB. I don't think that's the effect that Dave was going for in his article but I'm always sceptical of all these specialised bars.
I've always been sceptical of the use of the SSB as a means to improve the squat after I read a Dave Tate article where he was talking about his time at Westside. He said that, on his first time ever using the SSB, people who squatted much less than him with a normal bar were squatting much more than him with the SSB. I don't think that's the effect that Dave was going for in his article but I'm always sceptical of all these specialised bars.
Thats not entirely true though. say if your hamstrings are stronger than your back, the hamstrings will do the majority of work. you must eliminate any weakness to lift massive weights. Also, when you get to the point of squatting 900+, your body needs a different stimulus to a 400+ squatter and the SSB can provide this whilst keeping you fresh.
Its great when you are squatting heavy every week, puts the pressure on other areas and stops soreness.
For me it has been great at developing my form. Im a fan.
For me it has been great at developing my form. Im a fan.
Post Edited: 25.01.2011 @ 23:11 PM by tz1127
Duncan said:
when you get to the point of squatting 900+, your body needs a different stimulus to a 400+ squatter and the SSB can provide this whilst keeping you fresh.
when you get to the point of squatting 900+, your body needs a different stimulus to a 400+ squatter and the SSB can provide this whilst keeping you fresh.
Interesting - this is probably overthinking from my part but most schools of thought (esp. the Russians that the Westside guys frequently quote) dictates that advanced lifters actually need to do more and heavier competition work; wherease its the lesser qualified lifters that need more variety/assistance.
I'd rather squat with the regular bar truth be told. But I can't. At least not on consecutive days anyway. I'm limitted to 3 sessions a week when I can use a regular bar. This bar helps me train.
Shaun26/01/11 @ 11:01
tz1127 said:
Interesting - this is probably overthinking from my part but most schools of thought (esp. the Russians that the Westside guys frequently quote) dictates that advanced lifters actually need to do more and heavier competition work; wherease its the lesser qualified lifters that need more variety/assistance.
Interesting - this is probably overthinking from my part but most schools of thought (esp. the Russians that the Westside guys frequently quote) dictates that advanced lifters actually need to do more and heavier competition work; wherease its the lesser qualified lifters that need more variety/assistance.
A lot of what Westside says strongly contradicts the Russian school of thought. This is not me taking a swipe at Westside, by the way, in case anyone is offended.
Post Edited: 26.01.2011 @ 11:45 AM by Doc_D
tz1127 said:
I am not sure if this is more/less dangerous then a s**t SSB, but an interesting idea and probably useful for those of us who can't afford one.
I am not sure if this is more/less dangerous then a s**t SSB, but an interesting idea and probably useful for those of us who can't afford one.
Have you seen Dave Draper's Top Squat attachment? Not cheap, but it might be of interest to those who want to save shoulders but not necessarily mimic all the effects of a SSB (as it looks like you could still hold the bar fairly low, although perhaps not quite as low as I used to back in PL days).
More info here, FWIW: http://www.davedraper.com/top-squat.html
Post Edited: 26.01.2011 @ 13:22 PM by tz1127
Shaun said:
A lot of what Westside says strongly contradicts the Russian school of thought. This is not me taking a swipe at Westside, by the way, in case anyone is offended.
A lot of what Westside says strongly contradicts the Russian school of thought. This is not me taking a swipe at Westside, by the way, in case anyone is offended.
Of course. The little bit of info we have on how the Russians train via articles and training footages show they do none of that s**t.
A guy who attended Penn State university mentioned that Zatsiorsky have actually explicity complained about Louie bas***dising his theories. Charniga, whose translations of the Russian literature that Louie got, also took somes swipes at Westside on his site.
Doc_D said:
Have you seen Dave Draper's Top Squat attachment? Not cheap, but it might be of interest to those who want to save shoulders but not necessarily mimic all the effects of a SSB (as it looks like you could still hold the bar fairly low, although perhaps not quite as low as I used to back in PL days).
More info here, FWIW: http://www.davedraper.com/top-squat.html
Have you seen Dave Draper's Top Squat attachment? Not cheap, but it might be of interest to those who want to save shoulders but not necessarily mimic all the effects of a SSB (as it looks like you could still hold the bar fairly low, although perhaps not quite as low as I used to back in PL days).
More info here, FWIW: http://www.davedraper.com/top-squat.html
That looks good. Thanks for the link!
MrSmall10/03/11 @ 16:47