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| FAT_SAM |  | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 04:17 |
 more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | edi86 said: Thanks again for being honest as I can't understand the silence surrounding ped use when there is feds which openly allow it This is down to possible career implications. If I was say a teacher I wouldn't risk posting what I have on here. I work in the security trade, sit in a hut on night shifts in the week and stand in doorways at weekends. Everyone locally in my trade is openly on so for me there are no possible implications as a result of talking about it. Anyone who competes untested would find that nearly all the lifters are open about it in person, and willing to discuss it. On a forum may be different for them depending on their career choices. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 04:48 |
 his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: A 20 a day smoking habit costs a lot more. The food bill is the one that gets you. No amount if drugs do anything without a ton of food to back them up. For an opens guy maybe. I don't spend that much on food. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 07:03 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Benvie said: I concur, it is entirely possible to be reasonably competitive while remaining natural. It becomes more difficult to do so if you are competing in the opens but certainly up here in Scotland it is still entirely possible. I will be doing my second open weight scotland's strongest man final in a couple of weeks (admittedly getting in as a reserve on both occasions) natural and at 105kg bodyweight. I will be happy to avoid last place and happy to just be competing but my training partner is also natural and has a shot at a top 5 finish if all goes well for him. One thing I wonder about that hasn't been covered so far is the monetary aspect. Don't people grudge shelling out what I am led to believe is a fairly substantial amount of cash every month on gear? I know that I couldn't afford to and even if I could I would be able to find quite a few better ways to spend that money. Define "better ". Or substantial for that matter. | ||
| Benvie | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 09:45 |
 embarrasingly poor bench Member 2684, 4043 posts SQ 240, BP 135, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq | LessThanLuke said: Define "better ". Or substantial for that matter. Substantial is a very subjective term but I would consider anything over about 20 quid a week to be a reasonably substantial amount of cash. I am led to believe from the folk I have talked to who are using that the average monthly spend would be a fair bit higher than that. In terms of better uses I would probably be saving it for mine and my family's future or a holiday or something. Not trying to judge anyone's decisions, just curious if anyone felt the same way about being unable to justify to themselves shelling out so much a month on gear. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:17 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Benvie said: Substantial is a very subjective term but I would consider anything over about 20 quid a week to be a reasonably substantial amount of cash. I am led to believe from the folk I have talked to who are using that the average monthly spend would be a fair bit higher than that. In terms of better uses I would probably be saving it for mine and my family's future or a holiday or something. Not trying to judge anyone's decisions, just curious if anyone felt the same way about being unable to justify to themselves shelling out so much a month on gear. Understandable reasons mate. I'm single with no plans to ever have a family so different priorities. I spend every penny I make on myself. Just working it out off the top of my head I'm spending less than 20 quid a week on stuff so I don't really see it as a massive outlay. | ||
| slimsim |  | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:27 |
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6050 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said:I hope this clarifies things / answers the questions people have asked properly, I'll do best I can without specifically mentioning dosages etc. I hope references to prescribed TRT are ok as I feel that is different. I am 26. I was on for 5 years straight without a break. Tried coming off for knee surgery to lower my blood pressure or they wouldn't operate. Came off, lost 6 stone, had op done, had bloods done and had the testosterone levels equivalent to a prepubescent girl. Prescribed TRT straight away 1ml of sustanon 250 every 10 days. Told I was going to be on that for life and that I would be able to get hcg on prescription also if I ever wanted to have children. Yep, I use a little more than my TRT dose before comps. I have competed twice since surgery. I can maintain a muscular 130kg on TRT. I compete at 135-140kg. Would you have done things differently if you'd have known that your use would cause you needing lifelong trt and potentially hcg in the future Sam, or is it a price you're happy paying for a monstrous level of strength? I developed an overactive thyroid years ago which needed treatment for about 6-7 months and required regular blood test for a couple of years. Whilst it's an autoimmune disorder I personally think it's linked to my use of T3/T4 when dieting and had I known this could be the outcome then I'd probably not have used it. Hindsight is a great thing though. | ||
| JamieG | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:30 |
 Tom's CNS is better than steroids Member 2886, 2973 posts SQ 190, BP 122.5, DL 210522.5 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | This thread is so eye opening for someone without any real contacts in the iron game. Also if I wasn't going into full time study in the near future, £80 a month would make me curious. I thought it'd be a lot more. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:48 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 03.07.2015 @ 10:48 AM by LessThanLuke JamieG said:This thread is so eye opening for someone without any real contacts in the iron game. Also if I wasn't going into full time study in the near future, £80 a month would make me curious. I thought it'd be a lot more. It can obviously be a lot more depending on what and how much you're taking. For the most part though gear is cheaper than for example whey protein. | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:51 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5207 posts | Fair play Luke, your health shouldn't be too bad at that. What you use is a fraction on bodybilders. I'd be suprised if a proper bodybuilder spent any less than £80-100 a week. In fact that would still be very low compared to high level competetiors. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 10:51 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | I don't know where the misconception that steroids are expensive came from really. Maybe people are reading up on people who take crazy amounts. | ||
| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 11:09 |
Member 2606, 11453 posts SQ 170, BP 117.5, DL 215502.5 kgs @ 91.6kgs UnEq | deleted | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 11:13 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | kirkynick said: I'm more interested in why you don't plan on having a family  If it's not a secret...I just have no interest in having kids mate. Never have. | ||
| Boar | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 11:22 |
 Nothing left in the tank. Member 5, 25565 posts Administrator | I think you need at least 1 year off to fully 'find out' if you are recovered or not , 4 months is barely enough time to lose the strength you gained, but who knows , everyone reacts differently. my advise to anyone thinking that TRT is a good excuse to stay 'on' for years and years to think again ! 50 years is ALONG time to be taking TRT just to have 5 years in the hench sunshine I can understand staying on as you do feel unbreakable. | ||
| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 11:22 |
Member 2606, 11453 posts SQ 170, BP 117.5, DL 215502.5 kgs @ 91.6kgs UnEq | deleted | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 11:30 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Boar said:I think you need at least 1 year off to fully 'find out' if you are recovered or not , 4 months is barely enough time to lose the strength you gained, but who knows , everyone reacts differently. my advise to anyone thinking that TRT is a good excuse to stay 'on' for years and years to think again ! 50 years is ALONG time to be taking TRT just to have 5 years in the hench sunshine I can understand staying on as you do feel unbreakable. Oh yeah I agree with the first part, I'm not kidding myself. I wad thinking more about the mental fear of being off. I was actually considering having a full year "off" next year but we will see. | ||