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ChrisMcCarthy | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 08:50 | |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Post Edited: 13.12.2016 @ 08:52 AM by ChrisMcCarthy FAT_SAM said: A natty has more test than someone who has just come off though! You have literally next to zero test when you come off a big course. That is why people's numbers come down so much. I was thinking this as well...you'd have to wait a good long time to get an accurate comparison. Plus how many people "devote their all" to lifting with steroids and then come off but maintain the same level of intensity otherwise? There are some examples but I cannot think of many. EDIT: Same level of intensity as in living the whole lifestyle, as opposed to % 1RM. | ||
FAT_SAM | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 10:14 | |
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | Bang on. When I'm 'off' I miss meals, go out on the piss etc. This pretty much goes for everyone. You've gotta live a little after a big competition or you'll go insane. An accurate comparison is impossible. | ||
AdamT | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 10:28 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5207 posts | I would love to see the natties with huge totals go on the gear. If you bench 230-240 natural, imagine how much stronger you would be on INSULINA!!!!! | ||
kennybaby | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 11:51 | |
Member 2027, 125 posts SQ 175, BP 120, DL 250545.0 kgs @ 88kgs UnEq | I'm 46 going on 47 .... plus I've only got one instead of 2 .... my test levels are naturally low period and have been for ages, although they're normal according to the medical tests which can mean just about anything, most days still feel like I've been run over by a train even before I start training.. test levels naturally might be fairly high in the 20s and very early 30s but then they're on a fast downward spiral ... if I hopped on the sauce with some vigour I'd find it difficult IMO not hit at least 25% on deadlift and improve my wank bench tremendously and add maybe 10kg of solid weight .. squat I'm not sure as I've pins in my hip which make squats tricky to control but there's still going to be good upward movement | ||
Gordy | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 12:18 | |
Member 5418, 383 posts | Post Edited: 16.08.2018 @ 11:54 AM by Gordy . | ||
AdamT | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 12:24 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5207 posts | An elite natural athlete will get less. If someone was at 700 odd, they would probably do well to go 800 plus. If someone is around 500, they could also juice up to at least 700 plus. | ||
BrenWad | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 14:23 | |
Enough was enough. Banned. Member 6099, 775 posts SQ 300, BP 195, DL 310805.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | The freaks are freaks because they have the genes that utilize drugs exceptionally well. The average lifter is lucky to get ten percent. | ||
kennybaby | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 15:18 | |
Member 2027, 125 posts SQ 175, BP 120, DL 250545.0 kgs @ 88kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 13.12.2016 @ 15:21 PM by kennybaby BrenWad said:The freaks are freaks because they have the genes that utilize drugs exceptionally well. The average lifter is lucky to get ten percent. I don't believe that at all in fact I believe it's the absolute reverse .... a very genetically gifted drug free lifter prepared to put in 6 to 8 years hard training with few disruptions for work etc at the peak years drug free then hops on the HP will get much less than average joe who has done the same number of drug free peak years with similar lifestyle disruption by some margin, because it creates a capability that was never there in the first place for average joe and thus closes the natural gap | ||
BigMacca | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 15:53 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9944 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | Maby the fact that the crazy bas***d back squatted 470kg and front squatted 400kg the week before the meet had something to do with the fact that he 'only' squatted 455kg.... | ||
The_Lone_Wolf | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 16:01 | |
I eat a lot of meat Member 5124, 2999 posts SQ 245, BP 130, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | BigMacca said:Maby the fact that the crazy bas***d back squatted 470kg and front squatted 400kg the week before the meet had something to do with the fact that he 'only' squatted 455kg.... Yep, I don't know much about programming and peaking, but that doesn't really sound optimal. | ||
IainKendrick | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 16:13 | |
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | The_Lone_Wolf said: Yep, I don't know much about programming and peaking, but that doesn't really sound optimal. It's crazy tbh. Now I don't mind some heavy work the week before. But not hitting PBs! | ||
LaTuta | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 16:40 | |
I am from Germany so i know what i talk about. Member 5171, 1049 posts SQ 217.5, BP 160, DL 233.5611.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | BigMacca said:Maby the fact that the crazy bas***d back squatted 470kg and front squatted 400kg the week before the meet had something to do with the fact that he 'only' squatted 455kg.... Yeah thought the same. But i thought that video was a little bit older | ||
danbaseley | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 20:40 | |
A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4484 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | BigMacca said:Maby the fact that the crazy bas***d back squatted 470kg and front squatted 400kg the week before the meet had something to do with the fact that he 'only' squatted 455kg.... This does spring to mind. He is not the only one. I know a girl who shall remain nameless - but has done well at national level in IPF lifting - who's idea of peaking for a meet is banging out multiple sets at 95%+ in the squat, bench and dead; in the last two weeks before her meet. Things did not go "according to plan" come meet day. | ||
ChrisMcCarthy | ... | 13-12-2016 @ 21:01 | |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Seems like he posted all the stuff on his Instagram about a week ago - seeing as it's unlikely he did all of that in one week I'd assume that is several month's worth of preparation and that the 470 may have been a while back. I could be wrong and it would be good to know for sure, though. | ||