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» US Presidency (Go to post)31-01-2021 @ 16:41 
Post Edited: 31.01.2021 @ 16:41 PM by EDCLARKE
what i meant for the worse is that i see this as evidence of them starting the process of censoring free speech without explanation or consequence. its not a political comment that left is better then right
» US Presidency (Go to post)31-01-2021 @ 11:27 
ok thanks mate
» US Presidency (Go to post)31-01-2021 @ 09:41 
Post Edited: 31.01.2021 @ 11:28 AM by EDCLARKE

looks like the fall out from banning Trumps twitter account has taken a turn for the worse
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 23:13 
WILLSAN said:id prefer to have a drink with ted cruz. the way he rolled with the 'ted cruz is the zodiac killer' meme makes me think he has a decent sense of humor.

I get the impression that you might struggle to get a word in edgeways with AOC.

ha ha you may be right , I'm still not much of a fan of Ted cruz though
» Belly Buster (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 23:11 
dannyboy73 said:i am really interested in this Ed.
I have reduced my weight and increased and altered my training and look and feel a new man this past 12 months.
I have heard about fasting for health benifits... are you doing the 1 meal a day at weekends or in the working week mate?
im not sure I could go all day at work on no food...and what do you drink on fasting days if i may ask that is sir?
btw, your knowledge on American politics is quiet outstanding Ed.

Hi mate , i'm just fasting 1or 2 days a week at the moment , i drink water or black tea or coffee , I dont find it too bad at work as i'm busy and it stops you thinking about being hungry , when i get home its a f**king nightmare!
Grin the one eal a day works really well as you can eat when you get home ,.
I've been following whats going on in the states , what happens there comes here and it seems to me that not many people in american politics give 2 s**ts about the electorate whatever the colour of their skin
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 16:07 
ed! your dirty old man is showing!

ha ha she could never get a me!Grin
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 16:06 
Billwest said:
I've enjoyed it too. More reasonable than a lot I've seen on here.
I'll be honest, I don't know if either of us is right, maybe neither.
I just think that once you go down the route of politicians are all the same, never do anything, or out for themselves, or corrupt (I'm not saying these is your opinions, necessarily) it doesn't really get you anywhere. Sure some are crooks, or want shooting, but most act in fairly rational ways, even if those ways are not always clear.

Lets agree on neither of us being rightGrin
I'm sure there are plenty of politicians who go into politics with the best of intentions , i think that exposure to power and opportunity corrupts most , particularly in the states where the whole system is set up to corrupt ( why else would ex presidents go on speaking tours at the end of their terms at $500000 a speech )
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 16:01 
Rick said:
It's never ceased to amaze me that people (and I don't mean you in particular) criticise the democrats for not "building bridges" but have never once said the same to republicans. Yeah, we have to appease the crazy because they're white and have guns and money.
I'm ok with not being cooperative with people who literally tried to get you personally killed while encouraging a treasonous armed insurrection against democracy a less than a month ago; personally, I feel like that's reasonable.

that's a valid point , i think the problem is the tribalist nature of a lot of american politics , so democrats will criticize republicans and visa versa , but neither of them are so good at self reflection and it results in tit for tat accusations of bad behaviour . Just to be clear when i said Ted Cruz was a massive c**t , what i meant was he is probably the best example of the worst kind of US politician who's whole existence is self serving and based around protecting the interests of his sponsors . His wife is a managing director at Goldman sachs so i seriously doubt his offer to work together on this is anything other than an opportunity to grandstand and gain some media attention which why turning him down flat was such a poor move by AOC. There is zero evidence Ted cruz tried to have her murdered , and if she had any evidence (which she doesn't) she would have taken it to the police and pumped it out to her tame media. She's taken an incident that is about the little guy being f**ked over by scum bags on wall street and made it all about herself it reeks of narcicism to me . Her job as a representative of the people is to work with whoever no matter how much she dislikes them for the betterment of her constituents. Having said that i'd still rather have a drink with her than Ted Cruz
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 14:16 
Billwest said:
I think positions on committees is one thing, but changing democratic policy on something as major as medicare is a much bigger deal. (Clearly the progressives 20-odd votes does not give them the influence to change a major plank of Democratic policy). At the end of the day Democratic policy is made by Biden, not Pelosi, so changes like this are probably not within her 'gift' . There has clearly been some kind of agreement here behind the scenes, because it does seem strange otherwise
This is the crux of our disagreement i suspect either you are right and there is a backroom deal and we will see some gains for the progressives either in floor votes or in committee seats , or my theory is right that they are a smokescreen who say the right things but do nothing . Time will tell

Happy either way i've enjoyed the debate.
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 13:11 
given the discussion about twitter censoring Trump , what do people think about google deleting 100000 negative reviews for Robinhood the trading platform that suspended the trades on game stop . Seems to me that's an appalling abuse of power
» US Presidency (Go to post)30-01-2021 @ 13:08 
Billwest said:
I know what you mean about the so-called progressives wimping out. In the votes on legislation what you say is true. They can withdraw their support and bill might fail. However, in the vote for Pelosi's re-election, they had no power. They had no choice, they are never gonna vote for a Republican speaker of the lower house. It's the logic of 2 party systems where representative numbers are very close (and the politics very conflicted). Most votes go on party lines because everyone has too much to lose by breaking ranks. This is also the reason I think the 2nd impeachment of Trump is a total waste of time. He will not be found guilty (though I would like to be wrong here), and the democrats would spend their time better trying to figure out how to sort out the country's other problems.

as i understand with the way the us system works for voting for the speaker because the democrats have control of the house had Pelosi not got the required votes it would have gone back to the democratic caucus for them to choose a new candidate , the only possible way of getting a republican speaker would be if multiple democrats voted for the republican candidate which no one was threatening to do , the story that withholding the vote for Pelosi would lead to a republican speaker was just bo***cks . there are numerous examples of
more right wing democrats withholding their votes for Pelosi unless they got positions on committees , and getting those positions in exchange for their votes , the progressives didnt get jack s**t and voted for Pelosi anyway. Aoc actually talks about withholding her vote to gain "progressive power" in her campaign material along with her position of getting a floor vote for medicare
» US Presidency (Go to post)29-01-2021 @ 17:44 
Rick said:Be interesting to see how this one shakes down. Not often you get Cruz, Trump Jr, and AOC all on the same side of an issue (condemning Robin Hood).

apparently AOC has refused to work with Cruz as she alleges he attempted to have her murdered during the capitol riot , i can't say i blame her for not wanting to work with Cruz as lets face it he's a massive c**t , but surely as a representative of the people your job is to work with people you don't like.
» US Presidency (Go to post)29-01-2021 @ 17:41 
it'll be interesting to see who the powers that be side with big business or the ordinary people , I predict a fudge and nothing happens.

If you predicted something like this and then that google would delete 100000 negative reviews you would have been called a conspiracy theorist
» US Presidency (Go to post)28-01-2021 @ 22:44 
Billwest said:
Maybe i'm not understanding you right, but If they have already received $600, then that only leaves an extra $1400 to pay doesn't it, or did they offer an additional $2000?
The politics of the passing legislation in Congress sounds like it has been victim to massively divided state of US Politics. So Pelosi blocked a bill she might otherwise supported, i read somewhere that McConnell said his greatest achievement of the Obama 2nd term was attempting to block every single piece of legislation Obama tried to pass. If no legislation can be passed in a bi-partisan way, then it makes it difficult for a president to get his legislative agenda accepted. For this, both democrats and republicans are responsible, from the sound of it. Let's face it, in any sensible system, government would not be run by 70-somethings (Trump, Biden, Pelosi, McConnell) who should be put out to grass.
As you say, if affordable healthcare is accepted across the board, surely those same voters would not be asking what form this legislation took, but why the previous president spent 4 years criticising it and saying he would repeal it.

This is part of Bidens speech when campaigning in Georgia
» US Presidency (Go to post)28-01-2021 @ 08:48 
I would also add that the only people who appear to offer anything different on the Democrat side are Bernie Saunders and Tulsi gabbard , but i guess they have never been tested on what they say by being in power and having to actually do something , and I suspect that they will never be allowed to get to that position by the democratic establishment.

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