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» An old, fat fool starts a log. Hope no-one minds (Go to post)23-08-2016 @ 08:40 
Fatpete said:
Just the one last point, and then I will shut the f**k up, I promise. If you have a 20, a 40, a 50 and a 65 year old set of superheavies, then you can run the comp just the same but when you announce the results you say that the 20 year old won the juniors, the 40 won the masters1, the 50 year old won the masters2 and the 65 year old won the masters3, rather than they came 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the open.


If you did that then you would surely have to do away with the North West Juniors and Masters comps, as if you didn't Juniors and Masters would have multiple chances to become North West Champion (plus you could have, for example, multiple people being crowned NW Masters 2 120 class champion?), which would be discriminating against the 24-39 years olds as they only have one bite at the cherry. Are you suggesting that you just have one enormous North West Comp covering all age groups?
» An old, fat fool starts a log. Hope no-one minds (Go to post)23-08-2016 @ 08:05 
Post Edited: 23.08.2016 @ 08:06 AM by Wigan
Fatpete said:
I know. The question is nothing more than complicated than this - if we do have open age comps, then why no open sex or open weight ? Why just that one ? Nothing more to it than that, other than maybe why does everyone get so annoyed when I ask it ? The fact that there are other competitions available does not explain the existence of the original.
Thanks for trying, it must be hard dealing with someone this stupid.
Unhappy Unhappy


I suppose it is a case of a line having to be drawn somewhere. An open sex comp would never be a go-er as you would never (or virtually never) have a woman winner, and likewise with an open weight event, therefore there would be no appetite for it as entries, I would guess, would be extremely low. However, with the Open Age, you are more likely to see lifters from the Junior ranks, and some even from the lower age groups of the Masters ranks being competitive so people will enter.

Age is indeed an advantage/disadvantage, but again the challenge could be where do you draw the line. Is a 24 year old competing against a 34 year old not ageist as the 34 year old is 10 years more mature with potentially 10 years more training under their belt? When does the age difference become a tangible disadvantage and one that should be allowed for? To avoid ageism should people only compete against people their own age? Where should the line be drawn?

There are Masters competitions where older lifters can compete on a level playing field (age-wise), there are Junior comps where the young can do the same, then there are the Open comps where everyone can have a go together. Should the Open comps be done away with and be replaced with 23-39 age group comps, where Juniors and Masters cannot lift? Would that solve the ageism, and be an improvement?

In short Pete, I don't think I (or anyone else) will come up with an answer that satisfies, or placates, your dislike of the 'Open' concept. My only answer really comes down to, that is just the way it is, and probably the most viable 'unfair' system where a perfect solution will never be a realistic option.
» There's nothing like a Snatch... (Go to post)23-08-2016 @ 07:47 
Fatpete said:I should be able to give you a hand on Saturday Wiggers. I have little talent and very little sense, but I can do as I am told.


Good on you Pete, it will be a pleasure to have you along. I'm sure between us we can muddle along and do something worthwhile Grin
» An old, fat fool starts a log. Hope no-one minds (Go to post)22-08-2016 @ 23:12 
Maybe the 'Open' label refers to 'Open Age' as in there is no allowances made for the age of entrants. Therefore the younger or older lifters can enter and compete with those in between the lifting age groups. Yes the majority of the young and old would be at a disadvantage lifting against the Senior lifters (referring to those between the Junior and Masters age groups), but the argument could be that if they don't want to go against the Seniors then they have the option to lift within their own age category competitions should they wish.

From a personal stand point I have no problem lifting in an open weightlifting competition and being beaten by younger lifters. I class myself as a good Masters lifter but should have my arse handed to me every time by younger lifters if I lift against them, there is no shame in that, it is how it should be. Happy
» There's nothing like a Snatch... (Go to post)22-08-2016 @ 21:54 
Monday 22 August 2016

Clean Pull
60 x5
100 x3
120 x3
140 x3,x3,x3,x3
150 x2
160 x2

Squat
70 x5
115 x5
140 x5

Press
50 x5
70 x2
75 x2
70 x2,x2,x2
65 x3,x3,x3
60 x5

Good session from the Adlington weightlifters that were down tonight, build up for the next comp started today.

Finished off with a really good and productive committee meeting.
» - 46 - (Go to post)20-08-2016 @ 10:37 
Single figure countdown to the 50 t-shirt!!! Grin
» There's nothing like a Snatch... (Go to post)18-08-2016 @ 19:42 
little_a said:Amongst the 2.7 million people registered with parkrun globally, there are 121 named Gold, 166 Silvers and 13 named Bronze.

There were 91,978 of us silly bas***ds in the UK last Saturday.


I wasn't one of them last week unfortunately; but plan on being one this week.
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)18-08-2016 @ 11:02 
I think Lovchev is down to lift at Klokovs next Power Weekend event, will be interesting to see what he does!
» There's nothing like a Snatch... (Go to post)17-08-2016 @ 22:20 
Post Edited: 17.08.2016 @ 22:21 PM by Wigan
Wednesday 17 August 2016

Looks like I'm lifting in the Bergson Trophy in six weeks, making the numbers up for Team Adlington. f**k Unhappy

So, it's been probably best part of a year but,

Snatch
40 x2
50 x1
60 x1
70 x1
That will do, maybe do them again before the big day!!

Snatch Pull
90 x3
110 x3
115 x3, x3, x3, x3
From hang
95 x5,x5,x5

Squat
70 x5
115 x5
135 x5

Lots of weightlifters down tonight, I counted 8 including me Grin
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)17-08-2016 @ 10:19 
ChrisMcCarthy said:Can't help but think the IWF should beef up their Security...although stopping a 170kg Lifter and his 140-odd kg Coach can't be easy, needing to get the Police involved isn't good.

I would have thought they'd have stopped the Comp too, as it must have been at least distracting for Aleksanyan.


The Iranians were a disgrace, both the lifter and coaches reaction and actions following Salimi bombing, and the Iranian fans when Lasha was lifting. His response to the crowd was class!!! I like him a lot!!

Reckon he was good for a 220 snatch as well!!
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)14-08-2016 @ 18:46 
Steve said:
The more I watch the more I feel they need to drop testing all together or increase it tenfold to actually do something about PEDs IMO the current situation is ridiculous.
Thinking about the 94kg class. What do you think true life long drug free lifters can actually manage? From what I've seen over the years I find it very difficult to believe much over 360kg - basically the whole A group. If that were true it would pretty much mean testing was completely pointless.


For me they should just accept it as part of sport, drop the out of competition testing, but have in competition testing to keep it under some form of control, but have set tolerances of what can be in the system on comp days.

I agree with you, life long clean 94 lifter, up around 360 probably do-able, not sure about much if any more, and I don't think you'd have an A Group full of them
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)13-08-2016 @ 14:32 
Sonny Webster, our only GB male lifter is on today in the 94s B Group, starts about 19:30 our time I think.
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)13-08-2016 @ 14:31 
The men's 77s was just as good!!

Some great lifting and competition in the women's classes as well!!

I wasn't really looking forward to the lifting in these Games what with all the WADA / Russia stuff, but it has been great so far; world records a plenty and some brilliant competition!!! Really enjoying it!!
» - 46 - (Go to post)13-08-2016 @ 12:10 
little_a said:Warrington Parkrun 00:31:13

Set out to ease off a bit today and all felt ok. Counting down in single figures now Grin


Word of warning, apparently there are issues with getting hold of the milestone tshirts. Ell has been waiting for hers to come in stock to order for a couple of months now, with word of people still waiting 6 months on Unhappy
» Rio 2016 Weightlifting (Go to post)12-08-2016 @ 12:57 
Steve said:
Can't find the link, but I think they were in the village. Three Poles and the Taiwanese girl
I think with all the re tests it's gone way beyond anything we've seen before. IMO the mess athletics is in might be the thing that keeps weightlifting in


I agree, thankfully athletics is a big enough fish to detract from weightlifting's dirty laundry. IWF are probably sat hoping for some high profile failures to come up from other sports to soften the blow on weightlifting.

What is your view on the whole thing Steve, is the retesting and the carnival it has prompted actually good for the sports concerned?

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