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HUGE_GUY | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 20:28 |
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | Luke, can you find the 10m splits for that race with Powell? His start was perfect in 08, and i can only find his 20m split from his 9.58 (09) race, and that was quicker than everyone else even without having the best reaction time. | ||
Luke27 | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 20:38 |
![]() lets get learning !!! Member 1598, 723 posts SQ 210, BP 130, DL 200540.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 15.02.2012 @ 20:41 PM by Luke27 http://berlin.iaaf.org/mm/document/development/research/05/31/...Powell also got him on reaction. Would be intrested to see Bolt start vs Maruice green. As i said in Bolts splits 60m time was better then Greens WR 60m time. Cosidering Dwain chamber won Uk indoor this weekend with a 6.58 shows how off the pace he is. Although i spose a season goes on that time will be better. I dont suppose you can find data from last year indoor champs ? would be really intresting Dwain won indoors last year with 6.48 which is rapid! | ||
HUGE_GUY | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 20:48 |
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | I cant find indoors. But Chambers ran a split of 6.41 at 60m back in 1999, he finished the race with 9.97 though. Have a look at this though, Bolts 10m split from Beijing http://speedendurance.com/2009/08/19/usain-bolt-10-meter-split... That poor reaction time and still that fast to 10m, better than Ben Johnson. | ||
Luke27 | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 20:54 |
![]() lets get learning !!! Member 1598, 723 posts SQ 210, BP 130, DL 200540.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | HUGE_GUY said:I cant find indoors. But Chambers ran a split of 6.41 at 60m back in 1999, he finished the race with 9.97 though. Have a look at this though, Bolts 10m split from Beijing http://speedendurance.com/2009/08/19/usain-bolt-10-meter-split... That poor reaction time and still that fast to 10m, better than Ben Johnson. Your right thats crazy!! on that same link his 90-100 in berlin was SO much faster 0.90 to 0.83. Thing isi can only see him getting better with his start. Although hes got to be carefull as Blake could pull something out of the bag. Unlikely though. | ||
NickR | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 20:59 |
![]() likes supermans house Member 1421, 607 posts SQ 220, BP 160, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | HUGE_GUY said:There's much more to sprinting than power to weight ratio. Some one like me or Tom who are very strong for our size, if we are lucky we would beat Bolt for the 1st step, then get our ass handed to us. Bolts 10m time is quicker than anyone else. Things like tendon stiffness is important, achilles length, toe length or something like that. Loads of people that don't even do weights are very fast. And the other thing, you have 0.1 seconds to put as much force as you can into the ground while sprinting, weights is a lot slower. This.... Been fortunate to see Bolt train a fair a bit in london when hes been on the Euro GP circuit, the ONLY person even in training that ive seen get near him consistently over 40m is Nesta Carter...he hit 9.78 that same year. In terms of his 'strength' training, a friend of mine trained in his group a few off seasons ago in Jamaica and it still seemed pretty limited and more circuit based. I think he will get pushed to his limits this year, Yohan Blake finished last season very strongly! Going back to a few earlier comments, as above i know guys who can run 10.5 and clean 170kg and guys who can run 10.5 who clean 70kg, its not an absolute indicator. | ||
HUGE_GUY | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 21:02 |
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | Post Edited: 15.02.2012 @ 21:04 PM by HUGE_GUY Don't forget at the Olympics he celebrated pretty early. It was worked out he would have run 9.55 if he run all the way. I hope he gets back there because lately he's been no where near. Maybe he's waiting for the Olympics to get back on his super drugs though. I only say that because in a documentary years back, he said he will prove hes not on drugs by running super fast every year, saying he couldnt be taking drugs for so long. EDIT - On the power clean thing. I was told by a uk athletics physio anything over a 140 clean wont matter for most sprinters | ||
NickR | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 21:09 |
![]() likes supermans house Member 1421, 607 posts SQ 220, BP 160, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | HUGE_GUY said:EDIT - On the power clean thing. I was told by a uk athletics physio anything over a 140 clean wont matter for most sprinters Interesting...be interested to know what his basis is for such an absolute load? | ||
Luke27 | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 21:55 |
![]() lets get learning !!! Member 1598, 723 posts SQ 210, BP 130, DL 200540.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | Really intresting thread. That study came from sweden i wrote a whole report on it i found it that intresting. They tested 10,000 eventualities was crazy science! They even theorised that if his start had been consistent with the average he could of run a sub 9.5. Surely different runner will need different training stimulus. Some can get anough stimulous from just running itself whilst other will need a large amount of accesory work to achieve it. Also depends on running style. A friend of mine just won Woddies Indoor 60m last weekend and his very slight and does brilliant | ||
Tom_Martin | ![]() | ... | 15-02-2012 @ 22:24 |
![]() No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | So what are you saying Joe, that I'm NOT faster than Bolt over 40m?! You can be a real prick sometimes ![]() | ||
HUGE_GUY | ![]() | ... | 16-02-2012 @ 09:15 |
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | Tom_Martin said:So what are you saying Joe, that I'm NOT faster than Bolt over 40m?! You can be a real prick sometimes ![]() HA! I guess your not doing any 60's now? The commentators give people the wrong impression of how good Bolt's start is, but you knew that. On the 140 clean, i guess theres a limit to how much power it will help put down within that 0.1 seconds on foot strike. Higher clean might help the initial slower steps. | ||
NickR | ![]() | ... | 17-02-2012 @ 10:25 |
![]() likes supermans house Member 1421, 607 posts SQ 220, BP 160, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | HUGE_GUY said: HA! I guess your not doing any 60's now? The commentators give people the wrong impression of how good Bolt's start is, but you knew that. On the 140 clean, i guess theres a limit to how much power it will help put down within that 0.1 seconds on foot strike. Higher clean might help the initial slower steps. So your guessing but you dont know, i do wonder what the physios justification is. | ||