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Big_GrayIcon...01-08-2010 @ 20:40 
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kingham22 said:
correct me if i am wrong but, i think what martin ment was the event should be a managable weight. so that it is all about speed and technique.


u are wrong Grin i said firstly that the tyre was to heavy n taking that aspect away he disagreed n said that the tyres werent to heavy. corrected
drewIcon...01-08-2010 @ 23:53 
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If someone felt that a tire was too heavy and it fell into the 'unsafe' weight range. What ever they deam it to be. Could they just elect not do that comp/event as sure taking the points on the chin is better than knackering your arms. You can always get more points in the later events. Which you wouldn't be able to do if you were to tear

It would also send a message to the promotors

Just throwing that out there
ThingIcon...02-08-2010 @ 08:19 
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after hear of yet more bicep tears i think the likes of a national qualifier should have a tyre flip that is about tech and speed as has already been mentioned on the site. 600kg tire if f**king crazy i dont even think the WSM is 600kg may be 500kg but someone will comfirm this.
i think we have to be realistic, if we're to keep tire flip in the comps we organize and compete in the surely we need to think about the competitor and there long term health and ability to compete in the sport.
IMO Tire flip is either in for max reps or a set distance or a set number of flips.
CarlIcon...02-08-2010 @ 08:57 
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Thing said:
IMO Tire flip is either in for max reps or a set distance or a set number of flips.


when have you seen anything other than what you have said ?Confused
ranathariIcon...02-08-2010 @ 09:34 
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Carl said:
when have you seen anything other than what you have said ?Confused


I think his point was that a 600kg tyre people can only flip twice isn't really the same as a true max flips/flips for time event and is closer to a pure strength event instead.
ThingIcon...02-08-2010 @ 09:44 
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ranathari said:
I think his point was that a 600kg tyre people can only flip twice isn't really the same as a true max flips/flips for time event and is closer to a pure strength event instead.


cheers for that.

i just feel that are people being realistic when it comes to events and certain weights, as we're not wanting to injure people badly are we?
CarlIcon...02-08-2010 @ 09:55 
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i think some of the problem is, you could have 2 tyres, both stated to weigh 400kg, 99% of the time one will feel easier than another, and i think the lack of tread on tyres is a bigger problem than the sheer weight, for example ash smith flipped the 560kg tyre at strength tec, and he is a 105 competitor
JCIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:04 
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I think its a lot down to tread TBH

If at UKs 105 they used the same tyre as last year...it has f**k all tread...use more biceps to lift the f**ker....and pop goes the bicep?
JoniIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:07 
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Carl said:i think some of the problem is, you could have 2 tyres, both stated to weigh 400kg, 99% of the time one will feel easier than another, and i think the lack of tread on tyres is a bigger problem than the sheer weight, for example ash smith flipped the 560kg tyre at strength tec, and he is a 105 competitor


weights mean s**t in the end of the day, its like throwing a dice with tyres.

head to head tyre events have even more reason to use new tyres.
ThingIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:08 
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Carl said:i think some of the problem is, you could have 2 tyres, both stated to weigh 400kg, 99% of the time one will feel easier than another, and i think the lack of tread on tyres is a bigger problem than the sheer weight, for example ash smith flipped the 560kg tyre at strength tec, and he is a 105 competitor


ok what if he went o a comp with a 560 tire of say max reps and flipped it once and then tore his bicep or his grip slipped and he f**ked his knee. do you not think that as a element of safety on these used and worn tire in comps that in order for being a little safer that they could be lighter.

as in the likes of WSM they use what looks like brand new tires
CarlIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:09 
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exactly, so as i said, the tread, or lack of it, is what causes most problems
ThingIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:13 
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Carl said:exactly, so as i said, the tread, or lack of it, is what causes most problems


also the taper of the tire as well.

but were all agreed that the tire used in comps are usually f**ked worn ones and that there is a bigger rick of injury??

so that why i said why not go for the lighter option then rather than risk injury because your using and hell of a lot more bicep in the movement.
martinbIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:15 
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Tyre used to be all about speed and mobility, now its about how crazy heavy you can go. Unit 20 has a 430 tyre with no tread, trying to flip it is any number of injuries waiting to happen, however, put tacky on, and its a piece of cake, so makes me think tread/grip is the issue. But imo tyre flip should be manageable, and the quickest man wins.
ThingIcon...02-08-2010 @ 10:18 
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martinb said: But imo tyre flip should be manageable, and the quickest man wins.


i'm with you on that mate
RRouruIcon...02-08-2010 @ 14:41 
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What about the technique aspect? Could someone getting a tear be doing it just wrong/not optimal way? See this vid - you can go to 4.50 in order to ignore the beginning but if you look at starting position and the movement overall it looks much better than the usual ones that I see.



In my opinion the guy in this vid is properly using the legs in the starting point and not the back. Didn't have sound on so don't know how much that weights, but still.

After seeing this I want to retry my tyre flip tech as well.

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