huel.

Wiegieboard said:
Combining different vegetable proteins forms a complete protein.
The idea with food production is that it's incredibly costly to the environment to produce livestock. Vegetation on the other hand can be a lot less damaging and more productive. The Co2 emissions from cattle are greater than that from the cars we pay expensive taxes on because of their co2 output.
Around 30% of the worlds ice free surface is used to produce grains to feed cattle that we eat.That 30% could feed 7 billion of us no bother at all and on top of that we wouldn't have to feed Co2 producing and farm space and plant matter consuming animals.
In a developed country like the U.K. or U.S. it takes about 75kg up to 300kg of dried grains etc. to produce 1kg of protein in that animal.
In southern Sahara Africa it takes 500kg to 2000kg of grains and plant feed to produce 1kg of cow protein!
Pigs and chickens produce much less co2 and require about 5 times less feed to produce a kg of protein than cows, goats and sheep do.
Obviously in the developing world there can be more efficient ways to feed and produce animals. After the advanced farming methods of the developed world though, the next more efficient way of producing food is by way of advancing our understanding of how to effectively combine vegetable matter in a way that gives us everything we need.
Companies like huel are developing those methods now.
It's a food for the person with no time or for the person who objects to destroying the environment via animal farming. It's also a food for the person who wants a low sugar diet or whose lifestyle (extended trips away from society) requires the ability to carry a lot of food with low weight and volume.
It's not for everybody, but DOES have its place.

Luke82 said:
Ah, I didn't think about combining all the inferior proteins into something that might begin to resemble a protein you might reap from a cow's buttock.
I understand your figures but the need for such vast, industrial scale food production is because there are so many people on the planet. I'll be darned if I'm gonna eat mushed up vegetables forever because my fellow humans cannot stop pumping out kiddy winks! I suggest if vegans are that concerned with the planet they should off themselves immediately as no amount of avoiding meat is going to reduce the damage to the environment as much as one less human will.
Please be aware the above post is (mostly) tongue in cheek.

Wiegieboard said:
They aren't inferior proteins, just not complete. Imagine a 4 cheese pizza with 1 cheese missing. Add the missing cheese and it becomes a 4 cheese pizza. It's really as simple as that. As a general rule, grains, cereals, nuts, or seeds can be eaten together with dried beans, dried peas, lentils, peanuts or peanut butter.
I do fully agree that the entire issue is brought entirely on by massive human overpopulation with no way for sustainable numbers to be controlled by nature with a natural predator or even disease on a large and effective enough scale to bring down numbers.
I see the world problem as a natty bodybuilder would see being skinny as a problem.
They make sure they do enough sets,
have enough rest,
eat enough proteins,
carbs
and fats,
make sure they don't eat too much,
take creatine,
get 8 hours sleep a night,
foam roll,
stretch,
take their bcaas,
take their protein shakes,
do their cardio,
tan their skin.
etc.
One of these things alone does not a bodybuilder make but all of them together breeds success.
Imagine the condition of the planet if we grew more plants, used electric cars, harnessed wind and solar energy... etc.
The large square, if made of solar panels, would meet the worlds energy demands.
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Problem is.... Bacon is f**king brilliant and humans are both greedy and selfish.

ChrisMcCarthy said:I wonder what size a square would have to be of the land required to build a square of solar panels of that size?

JamieG said:This thread has certainly sparked my interest. In fact I'm thinking of ordering some and having it just for breakfast and lunch every day for a while to see how it goes. In my head I'm telling myself this may stop me spending cash on snacks anyway as it's apparently quite filling, so the cost may balance out.

If the hype is real, that's 1000 calories and all the nutritious s**t I usually skip. I'll keep eating regular tea time meals though.

My lunch time meals are usually extremely dull and void of much nutrition so...

Wiegieboard said:
this was exactly my plan. stops a body giving all of their money to monster and nestle haha

Wiegieboard said:
Technically you could do it in a 1 bedroom council house quite easily. The problem is, it would take a very very long time.
Yes 4 cheese pizza will always be better with pepperoni. Being British as well, we'd absolutely kill any motherf**ker necessary to get that pepperoni. It's the British way and always has been. Unfortunately always will be until we die of heart disease out gout.

ChrisMcCarthy said:
No, I meant how much land would you require to be able produce a square of solar panels that size - mining the materials, producing the energy etc...

ChrisMcCarthy said:
No, I meant how much land would you require to be able produce a square of solar panels that size - mining the materials, producing the energy etc...

JamieG said:
And I'll be a vegan all the way until 6pm! Morality heightened!

edi86 said:

also possibly the biggest bonus is healthy and regular jobbys due to the fiber which is not present in s**t foods... as well as the vastly improved social life due to people no longer creating a space around you or vacating the room everytime you let one off after you have been eating kebabs the night before, to get the calories in

edi86 said:

also possibly the biggest bonus is healthy and regular jobbys due to the fiber which is not present in s**t foods... as well as the vastly improved social life due to people no longer creating a space around you or vacating the room everytime you let one off after you have been eating kebabs the night before, to get the calories in