Is it necessary to cheat to get to the top in life?

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davycummings		...	24-10-2012 @ 14:10
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Cuddles said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20068384 Interesting, but with the millions of pounds earned in boxing, how can testing 2 guys per fight be prohibited by cost? That doesn't add up.

drew		...	24-10-2012 @ 14:12
I thought Joplin choked on a sandwich? Member 616, 8404 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 220 530.0 kgs @ 78.8kgs UnEq	davycummings said: Interesting, but with the millions of pounds earned in boxing, how can testing 2 guys per fight be prohibited by cost? That doesn't add up. They do really big wee's?

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 14:35
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	Its getting to the stage now if an athelete does something remarkable or breaks some kind of record people will cry drugs even if they are clean

Wigan		...	24-10-2012 @ 14:53
a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250 637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	AdamT said:Its getting to the stage now if an athelete does something remarkable or breaks some kind of record people will cry drugs even if they are clean We've been at that stage for decades in my opinion. Who cares?

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 14:55
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	Wigan said: We've been at that stage for decades in my opinion. Who cares? Thats true, but more common now.

Luke82		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:02
Enjoys his parents fully stocked fridge. Member 3476, 868 posts SQ 170, BP 136, DL 217.5 523.5 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq	AdamT said:Its getting to the stage now if an athelete does something remarkable or breaks some kind of record people will cry drugs even if they are clean This is the real shame of it. Since it's likely never going to go away it'd be more sensible to hold tested and untested competitions and allow people to draw their own conclusions. I think a massive change in attitude is the only that will stop this sort of thing. Either the spectators, sponsors etc. accepting that adult athletes should be allowed to pursue these avenues to improve their performance, or competitors and coaches themselves to self police and ditch the 'everyone does it' mentality. Which one is more realistic or preferable is a matter of opinion I guess!

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:04
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	Luke82 said: This is the real shame of it. Since it's likely never going to go away it'd be more sensible to hold tested and untested competitions and allow people to draw their own conclusions. I think a massive change in attitude is the only that will stop this sort of thing. Either the spectators, sponsors etc. accepting that adult athletes should be allowed to pursue these avenues to improve their performance, or competitors and coaches themselves to self police and ditch the 'everyone does it' mentality. Which one is more realistic or preferable is a matter of opinion I guess! Sensible approach. Lifetime bans should be introduced. If somebody thinks they can cheat then get a chance to come back, they will be more inclined to try and get away with it.


bean		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:14
Member 2356, 50 posts SQ 180, BP 120, DL 220 520.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	AdamT said: I think on the day weigh ins should be brought back. Lots of fighters have gained a stone or more following the weigh in. How much do you think this changes the fight? Say the average fighter puts on about 10 lbs back, sometimes 15 (in my experience).

bean		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:23
Member 2356, 50 posts SQ 180, BP 120, DL 220 520.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Also as far as cheating goes in combat sports, Luis Resto got 2 1/2 years after fighting Billy Collins with padding removed from his gloves.

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:24
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	bean said: How much do you think this changes the fight? Say the average fighter puts on about 10 lbs back, sometimes 15 (in my experience). It depends. It would help the more physical fighter that was better at cutting weight. Apparently mayweather walked around at roughly 152 pounds when he was fighting at welterweight. Thats just 5 pounds over the weight. I think hatton used to enter the ring even heavier for Jr welterweight, which is a 140 pounds weigh in.

1369phil		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:40
doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195 510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq	AdamT said: It depends. It would help the more physical fighter that was better at cutting weight. Apparently mayweather walked around at roughly 152 pounds when he was fighting at welterweight. Thats just 5 pounds over the weight. I think hatton used to enter the ring even heavier for Jr welterweight, which is a 140 pounds weigh in. My understanding was that the weigh in rules were changed because of the stupid things boxers were doing to loose weight and the scary health issues that followed a massive water weight loss / then massive physical exertion/exhaustion then being hit in the head about a hundred times - the brain isn't a massive fan of this combo and I think the weight loss contributed to some brain injuries (or certainly didn't help)

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 15:42
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	1369phil said: My understanding was that the weigh in rules were changed because of the stupid things boxers were doing to loose weight and the scary health issues that followed a massive water weight loss / then massive physical exertion/exhaustion then being hit in the head about a hundred times - the brain isn't a massive fan of this combo and I think the weight loss contributed to some brain injuries (or certainly didn't help) This is correct. Some boxers were killing themselves to make the weight and they were not getting the time to fully hydrate, therefore more risk of brain injury and exhaustian.

force10		...	24-10-2012 @ 19:02
Drugs cheat Member 3860, 630 posts SQ 335, BP 210, DL 330 875.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	its always the guys that never win that wing and whine about drug cheats.

Ben_F		...	24-10-2012 @ 19:30
vegetarian with a big deadlift - who would have thought... Member 340, 13300 posts SQ 315, BP 190, DL 350 855.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	AdamT said:Its getting to the stage now if an athelete does something remarkable or breaks some kind of record people will cry drugs even if they are clean But how do you know they are clean?

PAGAN		...	24-10-2012 @ 19:39
I took about £4 out of Sooty's bottom Member 685, 8719 posts SQ 225, BP 150, DL 290 665.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	force10 said:its always the guys that never win that wing and whine about drug cheats. Not sure if that's always true but I would add that even people who 'cheat' often accuse those who finish above them of 'cheating' more.

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