Is it necessary to cheat to get to the top in life?

davycummings said:I am very interested in why the use of PEDs are singled out for vilification above other forms of cheating

With people genetically having massive variences in hormones, if we are so absessed with this level playing field that everyone bangs on about, then how about:

We test the whole field, and supliment the test levels of everyone up to those of the guy with the top natty level, then surely noone could complain that the its not the same for everyone?

Tom_Martin said:
Not a clue. If someone was killed in a boxing match though, I imagine legal ramification would happen?

Tom_Martin said:
Would you really get away with killing someone just because you followed the rules of your sport?

Tom_Martin said:
Would you really get away with killing someone just because you followed the rules of your sport?

Cuddles said:
Depends where it is. The old English cases regarding assault and boxing are some of the most famous criminal cases in English Law.

drew said:
What other kind of cheating has such simplistic risk/rewards. If he had an accident and his hands were replaced with stone, yes that would be unfair. If he used too thin a glove, or too hard yes treat him in the same regard as a cheat

walker said:By participating in a legal boxing match you are consenting to being assaulted and consenting to the risk of injuries, whether they are fatal or not..

Tom_Martin said:I suppose if this is indeed true I can happily change my position on this then.

Clearly if boxing is a sport that protects you from the legal implications of what you are doing to your opponent then, by cheating, you are no longer actually "boxing" and deserve to get f**ked......right?

Tom_Martin said:I suppose if this is indeed true I can happily change my position on this then.

Clearly if boxing is a sport that protects you from the legal implications of what you are doing to your opponent then, by cheating, you are no longer actually "boxing" and deserve to get f**ked......right?

davycummings said:
With my solution the only reward is an even playing field
Take the sport of football, someone dives to win a penalty, gets another man sent off and banned for further games, influences the outcome of that game and others. He has cheated. It could be argued easily that the said player has influenced the outcome of the game more by this form of cheating than if he had used PEDs. Yet the ban for PEDs is long, and the criticism more severe, why? Both are cheating, one has a direct and visible result and is barely punished, the other has an influence that could only be a source of debate, and is punished hugely. I have difficulty with this.
Why is diving to con a ref "part of the game" when it is cheating, but paying the ref to give you the same advantage is really bad, although the outcome is the same?

Tom_Martin said:I suppose if this is indeed true I can happily change my position on this then.

Clearly if boxing is a sport that protects you from the legal implications of what you are doing to your opponent then, by cheating, you are no longer actually "boxing" and deserve to get f**ked......right?

martinb said:
That's how I look at it, I think it is more serious in boxing, because another mans health is at stake

davycummings said:
With my solution the only reward is an even playing field
Take the sport of football, someone dives to win a penalty, gets another man sent off and banned for further games, influences the outcome of that game and others. He has cheated. It could be argued easily that the said player has influenced the outcome of the game more by this form of cheating than if he had used PEDs. Yet the ban for PEDs is long, and the criticism more severe, why? Both are cheating, one has a direct and visible result and is barely punished, the other has an influence that could only be a source of debate, and is punished hugely. I have difficulty with this.
Why is diving to con a ref "part of the game" when it is cheating, but paying the ref to give you the same advantage is really bad, although the outcome is the same?