Is it necessary to cheat to get to the top in life?

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davycummings		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:16
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	martinb said: Tom_Martin said: What if someone just naturally had a 25% stronger punch and killed his opponent? Does he get convicted of manslaughter for training too hard? No, but he didn't cheat to gain 25% so it's not the same at all is it? So its ok to be good if you have been dealt a hand of good genetics, otherwise, f**k off, you are not allowed to hit hard? What about manipulating bodyweight to come in way over the weight the fight is stated as, which should allow some harder hitting?

AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:18
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	davycummings said: So its ok to be good if you have been dealt a hand of good genetics, otherwise, f**k off, you are not allowed to hit hard? What about manipulating bodyweight to come in way over the weight the fight is stated as, which should allow some harder hitting? I think on the day weigh ins should be brought back. Lots of fighters have gained a stone or more following the weigh in.

Tom_Martin		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:18
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	davycummings said: So its ok to be good if you have been dealt a hand of good genetics, otherwise, f**k off, you are not allowed to hit hard? What about manipulating bodyweight to come in way over the weight the fight is stated as, which should allow some harder hitting? Exactly, or put a little more into this particular context... So it's acceptable to kill someone with a punch if you developed the ability within the rules of your sport, but if you used ped's to develop that power, it's not ok to kill someone with a punch?

Cuddles		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:19
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Tom_Martin said: What if someone just naturally had a 25% stronger punch and killed his opponent? Does he get convicted of manslaughter for training too hard? Not about the sport, but, if he was a boxer and killed someone in the street because of his superior punching power, then the CPS would probably pursue assault with a dangerous weapon (ie murder).

Cuddles		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:20
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	davycummings said: So its ok to be good if you have been dealt a hand of good genetics, otherwise, f**k off, you are not allowed to hit hard? I dont see how that is any different to any athletic event? Because I am not genetically disposed to running quickly, I'm allowed to dope?

martinb		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:20
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Tom_Martin said: What do the rules of a sport have to do with the real life law? What does cheating have to do with whether or not someone got punched hard enough to be killed? Well nobody has been charged with the injury to an opponent in a boxing match that I am aware of, there must be dispensation legally or else all boxers would be getting done for assault Surely that would change if someone cheated and someone was injured

davycummings		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:20
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.10.2012 @ 13:25 PM by davycummings I am very interested in why the use of PEDs are singled out for vilification above other forms of cheating With people genetically having massive variences in hormones, if we are so obsessed with this level playing field that everyone bangs on about, then how about: We test the whole field, and supliment the test levels of everyone up to those of the guy with the top natty level, then surely noone could complain that the its not the same for everyone?


AdamT		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:21
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts	Cuddles said: Not about the sport, but, if he was a boxer and killed someone in the street because of his superior punching power, then the CPS would probably pursue assault with a dangerous weapon (ie murder). I think this happend to a boxer in America. He killed a guy outside a bar, the judge said his hands are lethal weapons so was very harsh with sentencing.

Tom_Martin		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:22
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Cuddles said: Not about the sport, but, if he was a boxer and killed someone in the street because of his superior punching power, then the CPS would probably pursue assault with a dangerous weapon (ie murder). As he fking should, regardless of whether he used ped's, hard training or both. How does it work in the ring though? I don't actually know, but for some reason, I am thinking they would be just as fked legally whether it was in the ring or on the street?

davycummings		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:23
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Cuddles said: I dont see how that is any different to any athletic event? Because I am not genetically disposed to running quickly, I'm allowed to dope? It isnt I am just having fun. I enjoy these topics, and dont really know where i stand, so I say whetever comes in to my head in the hope that the following debate will help me with my standpoint

martinb		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:24
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Tom_Martin said: Exactly, or put a little more into this particular context... So it's acceptable to kill someone with a punch if you developed the ability within the rules of your sport, but if you used ped's to develop that power, it's not ok to kill someone with a punch? Yes, because the guy you killed entered in to a contest with a set of rules that you both had to stick to, knowing the consequences could be death. But you didn't stick to the rules, and your opponent didn't know that, he didn't know what he was getting into, so it's completely different

Tom_Martin		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:24
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	martinb said: Well nobody has been charged with the injury to an opponent in a boxing match that I am aware of, there must be dispensation legally or else all boxers would be getting done for assault Surely that would change if someone cheated and someone was injured Not a clue. If someone was killed in a boxing match though, I imagine legal ramification would happen?

Tom_Martin		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:25
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	martinb said: Yes, because the guy you killed entered in to a contest with a set of rules that you both had to stick to, knowing the consequences could be death. But you didn't stick to the rules, and your opponent didn't know that, he didn't know what he was getting into, so it's completely different Would you really get away with killing someone just because you followed the rules of your sport?

martinb		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:25
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Tom_Martin said: Not a clue. If someone was killed in a boxing match though, I imagine legal ramification would happen? Don't think so, it has happened quite a few times

martinb		...	24-10-2012 @ 13:26
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Tom_Martin said: Would you really get away with killing someone just because you followed the rules of your sport? I think so yes

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