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OwenL | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 11:23 | |
has a tiny penis Member 2897, 5018 posts SQ 220, BP 140, DL 270630.0 kgs @ 82.2kgs UnEq | Cuddles said: Is that a serious question? Semi serious. In that case then yes I think in sport you probably do need to cheat to be the best, it appears. I don't know who's clean and who isn't nowadays so may be wrong. As for 'cheating' at work then no, hard work is more than enough at work. IME cheating will come back n bite you (looks the same in sport too) and it may be just be a quicker rise in the hierarchy. | ||
OwenL | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 11:24 | |
has a tiny penis Member 2897, 5018 posts SQ 220, BP 140, DL 270630.0 kgs @ 82.2kgs UnEq | JohnGym said: I was actually siding with Owen until you put it like that! Great analogy. Sell out | ||
JohnGym | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 11:25 | |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | OwenL said: Sell out Lol! I actually don't think what Lance did is a bad thing at all. Because they all did it. However, it is cheating. Lance is a double hard bas***d and always will be. Cycling legend. | ||
OwenL | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 11:27 | |
has a tiny penis Member 2897, 5018 posts SQ 220, BP 140, DL 270630.0 kgs @ 82.2kgs UnEq | JohnGym said: Lol! I actually don't think what Lance did is a bad thing at all. Because they all did it. However, it is cheating. Lance is a double hard bas***d and always will be. Cycling legend. Yeah ia gree. | ||
martinb | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 12:24 | |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | OwenL said: JohnGym said: Lol! I actually don't think what Lance did is a bad thing at all. Because they all did it. However, it is cheating. Lance is a double hard bas***d and always will be. Cycling legend. Yeah ia gree. I don't agree regarding it not being a bad thing, it would seem he demanded that those on his team doped, those that didn't had to leave the sport. doesn't sound good to me, never mind all the health issues I also don't get why he is a legend at all. His team was better at not getting caught, or if they did get caught, covering it up, than all the other teams, if you think he just did what everyone else did you are deluded. He won races by being f**king awesome, he was awesome because of the doping! We don't know how good he would have been! And we never will He is a legend, at getting away with things and generally being a c**t. | ||
drew | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 12:27 | |
I thought Joplin choked on a sandwich? Member 616, 8404 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 220530.0 kgs @ 78.8kgs UnEq | martinb said: I don't agree regarding it not being a bad thing, it would seem he demanded that those on his team doped, those that didn't had to leave the sport. doesn't sound good to me, never mind all the health issues I also don't get why he is a legend at all. His team was better at not getting caught, or if they did get caught, covering it up, than all the other teams, if you think he just did what everyone else did you are deluded. He won races by being f**king awesome, he was awesome because of the doping! We don't know how good he would have been! And we never will He is a legend, at getting away with things and generally being a c**t. And making £££ | ||
walker | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 12:50 | |
Does not need Advice, knows everything. Member 3505, 3510 posts SQ 295, BP 182.5, DL 290767.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | AdamT said:Boxing and mma are two sports that need to seriously toughen their testing. If someone dies or gets seriously hurt and the guy that does it was caught doping, surely that would be manslaughter LOL. What are you on about?!? | ||
AdamT | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 12:56 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts | walker said: LOL. What are you on about?!? Had little sleep, not making much sense the day lol. Basically I mean combat sports should be on an even playing field because the risk of serious brain injury would be greater. | ||
martinb | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 12:59 | |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | AdamT said: Had little sleep, not making much sense the day lol. Basically I mean combat sports should be on an even playing field because the risk of serious brain injury would be greater. More and more boxers and mma, guys are getting caught, but the bans aren't a deterrent in any way | ||
Steve | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:03 | |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | walker said: AdamT said:Boxing and mma are two sports that need to seriously toughen their testing. If someone dies or gets seriously hurt and the guy that does it was caught doping, surely that would be manslaughter LOL. What are you on about?!? I think it's a fair point. If for example a fighter filled their gloves with say lead allowing them to hit 25% harder and this lead to thir oponent being killed then surely it would be manslaughter at the very least. If by contrast a fighter was to take PED drugs, and they increase his punch by 25% which lead to their oponents death then this would be exactly then same offence. I wonder however if this could ever be proved enough to stand up in court | ||
AdamT | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:10 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts | Steve said: I think it's a fair point. If for example a fighter filled their gloves with say lead allowing them to hit 25% harder and this lead to thir oponent being killed then surely it would be manslaughter at the very least. If by contrast a fighter was to take PED drugs, and they increase his punch by 25% which lead to their oponents death then this would be exactly then same offence. I wonder however if this could ever be proved enough to stand up in court Antonio Margarito was caught with plaster in his gloves before his fight with Shane mosely. Since he was caught, he seems to have lost his punching power. Makes you wonder how long hes been getting away with it and if any other boxers were doing the same. | ||
Tom_Martin | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:11 | |
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | Steve said: I think it's a fair point. If for example a fighter filled their gloves with say lead allowing them to hit 25% harder and this lead to thir oponent being killed then surely it would be manslaughter at the very least. If by contrast a fighter was to take PED drugs, and they increase his punch by 25% which lead to their oponents death then this would be exactly then same offence. I wonder however if this could ever be proved enough to stand up in court What if someone just naturally had a 25% stronger punch and killed his opponent? Does he get convicted of manslaughter for training too hard? | ||
martinb | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:12 | |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said: What if someone just naturally had a 25% stronger punch and killed his opponent? Does he get convicted of manslaughter for training too hard? No, but he didn't cheat to gain 25% so it's not the same at all is it? | ||
AdamT | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:14 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts | Post Edited: 24.10.2012 @ 13:14 PM by AdamT martinb said: No, but he didn't cheat to gain 25% so it's not the same at all is it? Its just the same as someone thats stronger in the gym just through genetics and better training | ||
Tom_Martin | ... | 24-10-2012 @ 13:14 | |
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | martinb said: No, but he didn't cheat to gain 25% so it's not the same at all is it? What do the rules of a sport have to do with the real life law? What does cheating have to do with whether or not someone got punched hard enough to be killed? | ||