what is the most weight ever lifted overhead
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| davycummings |  | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:30 |
 he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | I had considered all the factors mentioned by kirkynick and wigan, I agree that testing is likely to have made a difference, but use is always agead of testing, and PED understanding has improved, so i would have assumed these benefits not to have dropped off completely. I also see the point about the kit not changing to produce heavier lifts, but that would only be an argument for staying the same, or not rising, rather than falling, I would have thought. The 3rd one is interesting, for participation levels to be considered as a factor in falling numbers then participation would surely need to be falling, is it? I have no idea on this at all. In many sports the inprovement in nutrition and (supposed) better training programs have made a difference. Maybe not in WL though? | ||
| Wigan | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:43 |
 a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 10.11.2011 @ 11:43 AM by Wigan kirkynick said: I don't believe for a second that the Russian Weightlifting Federation had 1,000,000 members (even back in the days of the Soviet Union). Not unless that figure included all the 'physical culturists'.I myself live in Russia (but I'm English), and there really aren't that many Olympic lifting clubs around. It was many years ago and referred to the old Soviet Union, i cant remember the source. Just had a look at the population of the old USSR and in 1990 it was in excess of 290 million, so a membership of 1 million in what is/was a national sport doesnt seem that unrealistic. I could be wrong though  | ||
| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:44 |
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| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:45 |
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| MrSmall | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:47 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | I've seen that number too, its no bulls**t. It's always the countries that are crap at a sport that say "its a minority sport" "its a dying breed" "noone does it really". | ||
| davycummings | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:48 |
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | MrSmall said:I've seen that number too, its no bulls**t. It's always the countries that are crap at a sport that say "its a minority sport" "its a dying breed" "noone does it really". I guess by this definifion us in Scotland should just be saying that about sport in general  | ||
| Joni | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:50 |
 left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | kirkynick said: 3) Olympic lifting isn't exactly a mass participation sport, even in the countries which are good at it. Hence, your not going to see such leaps and bounds forwards in records. hey a sidenote, but anyway actually this is other way around, sports with high levels of participation see very slow incremental progress, and low levels or new sports see huge leaps and bounds in how it progresses. Simply because bigger the pool of athletes, higher the set standards are already, and progress from that will be minimal(discounting usain bolt, bubka and all other freakish athletes who sometimes appear...) but that would kind of support what Wigan said, because of the fairly big number of lifters coming from certain corners of the world, the standards are already set high and world records while they still are broken once in a while, are pretty solid. | ||
| JC | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:54 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | MrSmall said:It's always the countries that are crap at a sport that say "its a minority sport" "its a dying breed" "noone does it really". That doesn't stop it being true! For instance, England don't produce wordclass WL, but do produce world class fottballers/rugby players.....participation numbers aren't just a coincidence in this | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 11:56 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | davycummings said: I guess by this definifion us in Scotland should just be saying that about sport in general lol  | ||
| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 12:01 |
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| Wigan | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 12:16 |
a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | kirkynick said: aargh OK! It's just that you said the Russian Weightlifting Federation. Remember the USSR and Russia were not the same thing (Russia was only one of the countries in the USSR). Russia only has a population of 142,000,000. Even then I don't believe there were 1,000,000 people who trained specifically for olympic weightlifting. It really isn't and wasn't as big a sport as you may think. Apologies for the original post, yes i meant the USSR and not Russia (just plain lazyness on my part rather than ignorance, i've always referred to USSR as Russia) Not sure I agree when you say it isnt/wasnt a big sport. I saw coverage of a full blown press conference held by the Russian Federation following this years European Championships it seemed fairly high profile, and didnt Dimitry Klokov appear on the Russian version of Strictly Come Dancing Not strictly a valid indication of the size of the sport, but it doesnt come across as a minority sport over there.Also looking back, if you look at footage from old Russian Championships from the 80s/90s they always appear to have large audiences (not football stadium size but a good few thousand). Having said all that, you live there so i will bow to your superior knowledge  | ||
| Wigan | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 12:20 |
a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Just for interest, found this interview from 1988 with the then Coach of the Soviet Weightlifting team, pretty interesting and shows the scale of the effort in the USSR at the time. http://powerdevelopmentinc.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20... | ||
| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 12:25 |
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| deleted2_20210523 | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 12:53 |
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| Simeon | | ... | 10-11-2011 @ 13:11 |
 tight in the hole Member 2057, 3121 posts SQ 205, BP 140, DL 260605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | kirkynick said:Just for interest really interesting to see that interview, thanks | ||