how do you save a beloved friend from vegetarianism?

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1369phil		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:45
doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195 510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq	Not read this whole thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned - but my understanding (and it may be an urban myth) is that in order to sustain a vegetarian through the harvesting of crops and grains - a significant amount more animals die in the process - think of all the little mice and bunnies killed in the combine harvester and all the little insects killed in pesticides for example. A large animal bred for meat is the sole mortality and feeds a human for a large amount of time. I'm all for humane rearing of livestock - free range chickens for example.

IainT		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:47
normal people, like me. Member 2325, 550 posts	Post Edited: 11.10.2011 @ 17:49 PM by IainT Meat is nutritionally and calorificly dense. It rewards the effort of obtaining it, and then some. As a survival strategy, an animal like us that requires a substantial amount of food to support a substantial brain, meat makes a fair bit of sense. Only earlier today I was reading a (probably rather out of date now) book about human origins that posited that one of the possible reasons for a large degree of apparent sexual dimorphism in early modern humans* could be that males hunted and kept meat for themselves, leaving the women to mostly eat plant matter. If a substantial portion of your daily activity is dedicated purely to feeding yourself, then meat makes tremendous sense. Now, it takes little or no more effort to feed yourself adequately without meat. Adequately though, I'm sure there are outliers, but generally the strong guys out there are eating a fair amount of animal produce. * - in one place in South Africa, with a very limited sample to compare. For all we know the male was unusually large, the female unusually small. Plus, the book was written in the mid-90s and is probably a historical curiosity now.

Steve		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:48
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts	Obviously it is possible to live on a vegetarian diet, but is it possible to optimise athletic performance whilst being vegetarian (or is it possibly even better)?

JackRevans		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:48
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: Lots of coherent arguments in this thread... but at the end of the day you have a 130 squat so are really in no place to try to save him from becoming a woman. wow i just got roasted! but god dam it i didnt call him a woman! he isnt a woman atall hes a good guy, but i dont want him to become malnurished and turn into a woman! but really though i respect your opinion

DomRedshaw		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:51
Uk limbo dancing champion Member 2666, 6551 posts SQ 202, BP 170, DL 255 627.0 kgs @ 88kgs UnEq	ok i cudda worded my statement better but im s**t with that stuff lol. i never said animal welfare isnt important but its definately not the most important issue to worry about IMO. also the statement about drinking beer n taking crack is somewhat wrong, i was sayin peoples actions indicate that they wont encourage meat eating, slaughterhouses etc but encourage child slavery (usually without realising). which would be the same as somebody taking crack n saying beer is bad for you, NOT somebody drinking beer n saying crack is bad. unless of course u think animal welfare is more important than child slavery then it was right.

IainKendrick		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:52
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	DomRedshaw said:also the statement about drinking beer n taking crack is somewhat wrong, i. I know

Ben_F		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:53
vegetarian with a big deadlift - who would have thought... Member 340, 13300 posts SQ 315, BP 190, DL 350 855.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	JackRevans said: wow i just got roasted! but god dam it i didnt call him a woman! he isnt a woman atall hes a good guy, but i dont want him to become malnurished and turn into a woman! but really though i respect your opinion Well, 24 years as a veggie and I am not particularly womanly (at least not overtly)... so I think your friend will be safe for a while. Where is Joni when you need him anyway!


DomRedshaw		...	11-10-2011 @ 17:54
Uk limbo dancing champion Member 2666, 6551 posts SQ 202, BP 170, DL 255 627.0 kgs @ 88kgs UnEq	u made me type all that for nothin mr kendrick ... ggrrr lol

JackRevans		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:01
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: Well, 24 years as a veggie and I am not particularly womanly (at least not overtly)... so I think your friend will be safe for a while. Where is Joni when you need him anyway! i take it though that you are not one to endorse the use of soya?

IainKendrick		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:05
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	DomRedshaw said:u made me type all that for nothin mr kendrick ... ggrrr lol lol Did say it was a 'vague reverse analog'. Whatever that is

GATES		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:07
What's your thoughts on one legged drills? Member 1725, 4343 posts SQ 250, BP 125, DL 272.5 647.5 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: Where is Joni when you need him anyway! tucking into a secret burger

Ben_F		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:08
vegetarian with a big deadlift - who would have thought... Member 340, 13300 posts SQ 315, BP 190, DL 350 855.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	JackRevans said: i take it though that you are not one to endorse the use of soya? I've read the arguments for and against... but from personal experience and that of my old friend Kerry Napier who is/was a Pro Bodybuilder (not a veggie but allergic to whey, and many other things) soya isolate is not detrimental to strength training or bodybuilding.

JackRevans		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:10
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	Ben_F said: I've read the arguments for and against... but from personal experience and that of my old friend Kerry Napier who is/was a Pro Bodybuilder (not a veggie but allergic to whey, and many other things) soya isolate is not detrimental to strength training or bodybuilding. oh i see

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:29
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22048 posts	Ben_F said: Lots of coherent arguments in this thread... but at the end of the day you have a 130 squat so are really in no place to try to save him from becoming a woman. b**ch!

TravisFandango		...	11-10-2011 @ 18:45
Member 1093, 5446 posts SQ 160, BP 105, DL 225 490.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	Haven't read it all, I've got Quorn to eat, then work to go back out to, but am I correct in thinking that you consider your friend to be gay for becoming vegetarian and you want to force some meat inside him to cure of him of this affliction? I'm trying to do the math here, really.

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