Are you in your comfort zone?
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| badboy007 |  | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 21:20 |
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts | I take your point! IIRC, Pete has made fairly rapid progress though, it wasn't that long ago he was squatting 220k? Now, albeit with a suit, he is going to get 340k+ soon. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 21:45 |
 Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | Originally posted by badboy007... IIRC, Pete has made fairly rapid progress though, it wasn't that long ago he was squatting 220k? Now, albeit with a suit, he is going to get 340k+ soon. It's taken six years. Also bear in mind that the 220 was the result of many years of not really knowing what I was doing amd of being a big fish in a small pond, which is never a good thing. Things changed on that happy day I met LittleA, and I became a ship now with a rudder. Decent progress was made thereafter. July/August 2005 I discovered Adlington, where the ship was given a complete refit, and for the first time i had a navigator who knew the waters. Big improvement followed, and as I now swim in ever bigger and bigger ponds, things continue to improve. Any lift of significance I had done has really been done by the team at Adders, I am merely the vehicle they use to do it. | ||
| badboy007 | | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 21:51 |
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts | Post Edited: 10.09.2007 @ 21:55 PM You have been well and truly programmed.I also enjoy being told what to do in the gym, makes it so much more neanderthal. You are in a wide, relentless and opaque river, which leads to the ocean, where you will do battle with Russian Sharks and American Whales, or the IPF Masters Comp! "Most people overestimate what they can acheive in a year, and underestimate what they can acheive in a decade"- Think this fits in with what you're saying Andy, if I'm interpreting you correctly. | ||
| little_a | | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 22:05 |
 still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | Originally posted by badboy007... Pete has made fairly rapid progress though I'd say the opposite Andy. He always looks to be progressing well, but the increases are very slight, and as a one time squatting partner, I'd say almost boring.  100K in around 300 weeks (with the added expertise of equipment and it's correct use) isnt rapid progress IMO. Who on here would be happy with a 10K increase in over 6 months? Just me and Pete then?  Just out of interest Pete, when was the last time you missed a squat? The last I can remember missing was a 285 either late last year or very early this year, I'm guessing because I squat in my comfort zone?? Hardly lazy, but I'm just not going to miss basic training lifts. If I am, I'm training wrong IMO. | ||
| little_a | | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 22:06 |
still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | Originally posted by badboy007... "Most people overestimate what they can acheive in a year, and underestimate what they can acheive in a decade"- Think this fits in with what you're saying Andy, if I'm interpreting you correctly. My last post took too long  Yep, thats about it mate | ||
| badboy007 | | ... | 10-09-2007 @ 22:24 |
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts | Post Edited: 10.09.2007 @ 22:26 PM Andy, fair points all round.One major difference is that you do not compete in squat, bench or deadlift. As you say, they are training lifts for you, so any 1rm are not necessary. For instance, I suspect you may miss C+J's/Snatches more often that squats or pulls. Going round in circles here a bit, but I suppose it's worth saying. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 00:05 |
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | Originally posted by little_a... Just out of interest Pete, when was the last time you missed a squat? April 23rd this year, The Big Dave "don't phuckin panic" 720 attempt and I remember a 680 fail before that. In fairness the only two fails I can remember are "things are going well, let's give a shot and see what happens" unplanned attempts. As far as i can recall all the planned ones, ie, where I have had time to mentally prepare as well, have all been good. | ||
| little_a | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 08:22 |
still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | Post Edited: 11.09.2007 @ 08:24 AM Originally posted by badboy007... One major difference is that you do not compete in squat, bench or deadlift. As you say, they are training lifts for you, so any 1rm are not necessary. Not true mate. 1RM's are also the name of the game for anyone wanting to lift the heaviest weight possible, and arnt just necessary. They are paramount. For instance, I suspect you may miss C+J's/Snatches more often that squats or pulls. Absolutely, but even they are maxed out for a very limited time Going round in circles here a bit, but I suppose it's worth saying. If I'm going round in circles I'm glad it's with you mate. I know I'm going to lose. Lol. Just glad we're not having this conversation as spoken. I'd be dead already To get back to the start I can only reiterate that personaly I think that I train in my comfort zone 'most' of the time. I often walk out of the gym with lifts in the tank, there for next time, and as an observation it would appear to me that most of the more prolific, bigger lifters do the same. Over and out (sorry Andy, but this thread is just too serious for me) | ||
| Joni | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 08:23 |
 left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | Originally posted by little_a... Who on here would be happy with a 10K increase in over 6 months? f**k, i would give my left bollock for that kind of increase... But because of my "i want to dabble with everything" approach i am not really entitled to gains of even that magnitude. | ||
| badboy007 | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 10:37 |
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts | Don't worry Andy, this thread was only an attempt to be sensible following some filth I posted earlier Moral of the story, train hard, but leave some hip thrust for Friday night with a fresher in Fallowfield  | ||
| Titch | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 12:40 |
 One Sexy MoFo Member 101, 2470 posts | Originally posted by badboy007... Don't worry Andy, this thread was only an attempt to be sensible following some filth I posted earlier Moral of the story, train hard, but leave some hip thrust for Friday night with a fresher in Fallowfield To go all-out in training or to go all-out on a fresher; the standard training dilemma (STD, which works out quite well for you from what I've heard. ) | ||
| little_a | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 12:57 |
still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | Originally posted by Titch... LMFAOthe standard training dilemma (STD, which works out quite well for you from what I've heard. )see, you are funny  | ||
| Tony | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 16:47 |
 Is partial to the odd bender. Member 6, 10239 posts SQ 280, BP 192.5, DL 317.5790.0 kgs @ 102kgs Eq | Andy you do train hard, your just too stupid to realise | ||
| badboy007 | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 18:53 |
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts | Interesting perspective; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXyQuP--f-8 However, I think this thread has taken a jump from the importance of getting out your comfort zone, whether mental, physical or other to straining to missing weights..which is not what I originally intended. We are all on the same track anyway.. even with some lemon fresh absurdity/clarity thrown in. | ||
| Tony | | ... | 11-09-2007 @ 18:56 |
Is partial to the odd bender. Member 6, 10239 posts SQ 280, BP 192.5, DL 317.5790.0 kgs @ 102kgs Eq | He says "push yourself just below your true max" That would indicate to me training at 90-95% of 1rm weight. Not what I consider a comfort zone. | ||