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| danbaseley |  | ... | 06-04-2021 @ 13:08 |
 A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4479 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | slimsim said: That sounds a bit contentious. Addicted to what, alcohol, coke, heroin, speed, ecstasy? I find it hard to believe there's enough research to back that up. Don't worry, there isn't. What dose? What frequency of drug use? Does the use of certain narcotics effect the vaccine, if used within a certain timeframe of the initial vaccine? Define addiction - are we talking long-term users, or people who have developed a habit? Is this just a way of saying "The vaccine we have developed may not work on everyone - and if it doesn't work on you, then clearly that is because of your poor lifestyle choices: so, you should really keep that to yourself, you junkie/alcoholic"? | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 07-04-2021 @ 23:01 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | |||
| luki | | ... | 08-04-2021 @ 10:02 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | WILLSAN said: Do you agree with her analogy that "pro lockdown" is similar to for slavery Willsan? | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 08-04-2021 @ 10:36 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | luki said: Do you agree with her analogy that "pro lockdown" is similar to for slavery Willsan? similar to slavery in what aspect? | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 12-04-2021 @ 15:38 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | fauci peter daszak ecohealth alliance wuhan institute of virology gain of function silence. | ||
| luki |  | ... | 15-04-2021 @ 11:17 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Uk may be able to buy some more vaccines from Northern Europe. Seems like only Ireland, Italy and UK still giving Astra to under 60s. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/denmark-becomes-first-country-to-ditch-astrazeneca-shot-media-reports | ||
| luki | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 09:32 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | I'm surprised these results aren't in all the newspapers. "Oxford University published an important study based on more than 489k mRNA vaccine recipients that shows that the risk of portal vein thrombosis appears to be 30 times higher with mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) than with AstraZeneca’s. The risk of cerebral vein thrombosis, which caused many regulators to pause or discontinue using AstraZeneca’s and J&J vaccines, appears to be very similar for AstraZeneca’s vaccine (5 in a million) as for Pfizer’s and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines (4 in a million). Still, the risk of cerebral vein thrombosis from COVID itself appears to be 8 times and for portal vein thrombosis 10 times higher than for mRNA vaccines. Regulators should study this data to make more informed conclusions." https://mobile.twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1382982134386819072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382982134386819072%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F521313-pvt-bloodclot-mrna-covid-vaccine... | ||
| billynomates | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 10:51 |
Member 4923, 1795 posts | Post Edited: 17.04.2021 @ 10:58 AM by billynomates luki said:I'm surprised these results aren't in all the newspapers. "Oxford University published an important study based on more than 489k mRNA vaccine recipients that shows that the risk of portal vein thrombosis appears to be 30 times higher with mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) than with AstraZeneca’s. The risk of cerebral vein thrombosis, which caused many regulators to pause or discontinue using AstraZeneca’s and J&J vaccines, appears to be very similar for AstraZeneca’s vaccine (5 in a million) as for Pfizer’s and Moderna’s mRNA vaccines (4 in a million). Still, the risk of cerebral vein thrombosis from COVID itself appears to be 8 times and for portal vein thrombosis 10 times higher than for mRNA vaccines. Regulators should study this data to make more informed conclusions." https://mobile.twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1382982134386819072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1382982134386819072%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F521313-pvt-bloodclot-mrna-covid-vaccine... Russian propoganda? | ||
| Rick | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 11:31 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | The clot risks, even on the most pessimistic data, are severalfold lower than (picking an example at not even slightly random) the contraceptive pill. What we have here is, imho, attempts to whip up hysteria and vaccine hesitancy. There is absolutely no doubt, on the numbers, that anybody past their middle 20s is significantly better off with the vaccine than without it, and not a lot of doubt in younger people. | ||
| AMH_Power | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 12:03 |
we ride at dawn Member 4363, 1442 posts SQ 310, BP 250, DL 320880.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 17.04.2021 @ 12:04 PM by AMH_Power What's the score with the vaccine analysis prints? Looking at them, it looks pretty grim for side effects etc. I've not had the vaccine, and don't intend to this moment in time. Right now, other than personal immunity, it's still not clear if it stops the spread. It 'may' stop the spread on the grounds that it may reduce symptoms which obviously correlate to your infectiousness. But, this means without the vaccine I could be a) asymptomatic and carry the same chance of spreading it as a vaccine recipient, or b) I'd have symptoms in which case I'd isolate. So right now, it seems there isn't a community reason to take on the risk of the non-time tested product beyond a decreased risk of needing a hospital bed, but when people are getting s**t faced 1-2x a week I'm not sure I can justify ANY risk for the community for the small chance I'd take up a hospital bed. I'm pretty altruistic I'm nature but if it's not even clear if it reduces transmission, then getting s**t injected into me where nobody has any liability, especially without knowing the long term effects is a balance between heroic and idiotic. As for personal immunity and treatment; Thymalin out performed all vaccine modalities/trials AND treatment methods. This would be my go to if s**t hit the fan. It also extends human life and normalises the human genome. It's just really expensive, probably due to it's geroprotective nature. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964208/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print__2_.pdf | ||
| luki | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 13:37 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 17.04.2021 @ 13:42 PM by luki billynomates said: Russian propoganda? It's an Oxford university report. I'm learning I'm bad at reading this stuff, but thought it read: - infection with Covid cause 8 thrombosis in 1000000 -Astra/J+J (and assumibly Sputnik/Convax and all dead cell vaccines) 4 in 1000000 and -Pfyser/Moderna 6 in 1000000. With that math AZ and JJ best bet of current approved EU&UK vaccines. | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 15:08 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | AMH_Power said: So right now, it seems there isn't a community reason to take on the risk of the non-time tested product beyond a decreased risk of needing a hospital bed, but when people are getting s**t faced 1-2x a week I'm not sure I can justify ANY risk for the community for the small chance I'd take up a hospital bed. I'm pretty altruistic I'm nature but if it's not even clear if it reduces transmission, then getting s**t injected into me where nobody has any liability, especially without knowing the long term effects is a balance between heroic and idiotic. this is my line of thinking. given that obesity and low vitamin d levels are such a huge factor in the severity of the effects of the virus I think we would be better off ploughing all those billions spent on experimental vaccines into subsidising the fitness industry and providing free vitamin d for everyone. not only would you would reduce the impact of wu flu but virtually all other diseases with this approach. you would also be investing back into the uk economy instead of multinational pharma companies. in addition, the onus would then fall on the individual to choose to be more healthy to protect themselves rather than coercing everyone into undergo a medical treatment which they may or may not need or want. | ||
| samue1son | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 15:47 |
 Member 4416, 1369 posts SQ 210, BP 175, DL 240625.0 kgs @ 122kgs UnEq | WILLSAN said: this is my line of thinking. given that obesity and low vitamin d levels are such a huge factor in the severity of the effects of the virus I think we would be better off ploughing all those billions spent on experimental vaccines into subsidising the fitness industry and providing free vitamin d for everyone. not only would you would reduce the impact of wu flu but virtually all other diseases with this approach. you would also be investing back into the uk economy instead of multinational pharma companies. in addition, the onus would then fall on the individual to choose to be more healthy to protect themselves rather than coercing everyone into undergo a medical treatment which they may or may not need or want. Between your and AMH's posts, I haven't picked every point but collectively they make a lot of sense. If vaccines and lockdowns are the only apparent offered suggestions, I feel compelled to say that there are other options of greater hewlth investment that have been (as a symptom) passed by. An open question: If this nation had higher levels of physical and mental health (and fitness), aswell as better investments to living standards, including healthcare, would that be a better choice long term. . . . . if Wuflu continued longer term? Or, continue propping up the economy, locking down, pushing back other services for other essential ailments and investing in vaccines. I am not smart enough to consider middle ground options. I am also shattered and not sure I am expressing my point so well. | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 16:17 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5206 posts | Post Edited: 17.04.2021 @ 16:17 PM by AdamT If social distancing and masks work?we wouldn't need lockdowns If vaccines were all that great we wouldn't need to continue with masks and social distancing There will 100% be more lockdowns and other boosters following the summer They have dangled the carrot all along and keep moving goal posts 3 weeks to flatten the curve 12 weeks to beat the virus Be normal by Christmas Be normal by Easter Lockdown lifted when over 70s vaccinated Lockdown lifted when over 50s vaccinated Be back to normal by end of 2021 Won't be back to normal until 2022 And Boris latest, "although vaccines have played a part, it has been lockdowns that has lowered cases" I'm sorry to be the voice of doom,but you better believe these 'new variants' will force more restrictions in the Autumn | ||
| luki | | ... | 17-04-2021 @ 19:54 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | AdamT said: I'm sorry to be the voice of doom,but you better believe these 'new variants' will force more restrictions in the Autumn This is my thinking too. Unless they bring in a New Zealand type quarantine we will always be playing catch-up to a new variant. Pfyser is already trying to sell booster versions of their shot for new variants (in development). I'd be happy enough to forgo foreign travel and tourism for a return to normal at home like NZ has. Ireland introduced a mandatory quarantine for EU countries with high R rates of the South African variants (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy + all from Ski Resorts). EU are doing some serious bullying to try and get Ireland to roll these back. | ||
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