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macrothIcon...12-12-2020 @ 07:51 
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Losing an election doesn't make you disenfranchised.

Anyway, the SC refused to hear the case.
WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 08:05 
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Rick said:
As I suspected, long on memes and sarcasm recycled from conspiracist idiots, no actual content or understanding. You have dragged this forum into your notional monkey house with your torrent of absurdist bulls**t and attempts to patronise anybody who calls you on it. Enough is enough.


setting a test without knowing the answer beforehand would be foolish.

if it soothes your ego to believe that I am that foolish let it be so.

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WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 08:34 
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Post Edited: 12.12.2020 @ 11:03 AM by WILLSAN
luki said:
I think he is right about the vote integrity, but it’s ludicrous solution.
Trump is fundraising a ton of money during this whole controversy. Do over?


is it really that ludicrous? as I said before the validity of the constitution as a contract between states is at stake. there is already talk of secession.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/060/610/637/original/5fd509db9df23f89.jpg

the grounds of it being thrown out were of 'lack of standing'. the merits of the case itself have not been ruled on. this is the double bind. texas hasnt suffered harm yet because the [true] election hasnt taken place yet - electoral college. but by the time it has, it becomes impossible to undo what might have proven to be an unconstitutional election.

guiliani has suggested that any of the other plaintiff states can make a copy and paste suits. if they can prove standing it gets heard so that may be the next move.

if the lawfare fails the s**t will hit the fan.
billynomatesIcon...12-12-2020 @ 09:57 
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WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 10:09 
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LOL

these deepfakes are getting insane!
lukiIcon...12-12-2020 @ 10:17 
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WILLSAN said:
is it really that ludicrous? as I said before the validity of the constitution as a contract between states is at stake. there is already talk of secession.
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/060/610/637/original/5fd509db9df23f89.jpg
the grounds of it being thrown out were of 'lack of standing'. the merits of the case itself have not been ruled on. this is the double bind. texas hasnt suffered harmed yet because the [true] election hasnt taken place yet - electoral college. but by the time it has, it becomes impossible to undo what might have proven to be an unconstitutional election.
guiliani has suggested that any of the other plaintiff states can make a copy and paste suits. if they can prove standing it gets heard so that may be the next move.
if the lawfare fails the s**t will hit the fan.

Yes, but it’s the conclusion and suggested following actions that are ludicrous. If the election is illegal re-run the election in the four states. You can’t just set aside a Democratic Election. That’s a dictatorship of the legislature facilitated by the judiciary.
WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 10:30 
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luki said:
Yes, but it’s the conclusion and suggested following actions that are ludicrous. If the election is illegal re-run the election in the four states. You can’t just set aside a Democratic Election. That’s a dictatorship of the legislature facilitated by the judiciary.


the US is not a democracy. its a republic. technically the public vote is just a steer for the state legislature who are the actual voters. they vote the way that the public votes because they want to be reelected of course but they are under no obligation to. so not a dictatorship - that is how the system is supposed to work.

I agree it does seem somewhat of a nuclear option. but when you balance that with the potential damage to the union that the alternative provides maybe the state legislature could decide that it is the least worst course of action.

in terms of a re-run, I saw some discussion on it but there was dispute as to whether that was even possible within the rules of the election. someone mooted the suggestion that you could end up with a pelosi/pence stand in administration which would be pure comedy from start to finish.
billynomatesIcon...12-12-2020 @ 10:57 
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WILLSAN said:
LOL
these deepfakes are getting insane!

The south park guys and Peter Serafinowicz are using it as the basis for a new show, its pretty funny. They have Mark Zuckerberg selling dialysis and other fun items Grin

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM
WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 11:03 
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billynomates said:
The south park guys and Peter Serafinowicz are using it as the basis for a new show, its pretty funny. They have Mark Zuckerberg selling dialysis and other fun items Grin
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9WfZuNceFDM


yeah I followed the link back.

caught trey parker at the beginning as the tv announcer.
JonathanIcon...12-12-2020 @ 11:07 
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WILLSAN said:
the US is not a democracy. its a republic. technically the public vote is just a steer for the state legislature who are the actual voters. they vote the way that the public votes because they want to be reelected of course but they are under no obligation to. so not a dictatorship - that is how the system is supposed to work.
I agree it does seem somewhat of a nuclear option. but when you balance that with the potential damage to the union that the alternative provides maybe the state legislature could decide that it is the least worst course of action.
in terms of a re-run, I saw some discussion on it but there was dispute as to whether that was even possible within the rules of the election. someone mooted the suggestion that you could end up with a pelosi/pence stand in administration which would be pure comedy from start to finish.


Just so that we're clear....

You don't regard America as being a democracy (at least in it's stated intention) and that it's perfectly fine for a defeated incumbent to abuse their power to try to overturn the stated will of the people?
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Post Edited: 12.12.2020 @ 12:41 PM by LessThanLuke
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Jonathan said:
Just so that we're clear....
You don't regard America as being a democracy (at least in it's stated intention) and that it's perfectly fine for a defeated incumbent to abuse their power to try to overturn the stated will of the people?


1 - the U.S.A. isnt a democracy. its a democratic republic. that is not my view its a fact.

2 - you are attempting to frame my assessment of what could happen in terms of what I want to happen.

3 - your characterisation is so vastly simplified from what I have actually said it bears little to no resemblance to my actual view.

4 - if you are attempting to make something clear, bas***dising someones words is not generally a good tactic.
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RickIcon...12-12-2020 @ 13:29 
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Post Edited: 12.12.2020 @ 13:30 PM by Rick
WILLSAN said:
if they can prove standing it gets heard so that may be the next move.


Won't help much. Standing was the obvious reason to dismiss this. But any suit against a state's practices need to be heard in that state first, which is exactly what the Trump campaign are setting records of having nonsense suits tossed out doing.

I am astounded by your suggestion that deciding to award the election to the person who (and this is not questioned) got the fewest votes in those states because they made it easier to vote due to a pandemic is in some sense fairer.


if the lawfare fails the s**t will hit the fan.


People right here claimed we need to be worried about democrats rioting, not a republican coup. Glad to see you've backtracked.
WILLSANIcon...12-12-2020 @ 13:43 
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Rick said:
WILLSAN said:
I am astounded by your suggestion that deciding to award the election to the person who (and this is not questioned) got the fewest votes in those states because they made it easier to vote due to a pandemic is in some sense fairer.


as per before.

I said:
2 - you are attempting to frame my assessment of what could happen in terms of what I want to happen.


fairness is not the issue. legality is. that could be fair or not depending on your point of view.

Rick said:
People right here claimed we need to be worried about democrats rioting, not a republican coup. Glad to see you've backtracked.


I am not imprisoned by a belief system or dogma. I roll with the facts as I see them.

there will be left wing riots either way.

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