Suspend Parliament...Now what ?

billynomates said:Although Johnson is a clown, I agree with what he's doing. Parliament wont let him implement the will of the people so he has to do what is necessary. Theres been enough faffing around at this stage.

Rick said:Astonishing that we've arrived at a point where, in the expressed view of the executive and much of the (almost entirely billionaire-owned) press:

- exceeding the mandate of a three-year-old opinion poll with badly-described options on which the narrowly-winning side broke the law repeatedly and promised this very situation (no deal) was impossible, is urgent and essential, and

- obeying the law of the country is optional.

Interesting times.

Note that A de P Johnson could trigger the fastest economic revival in British history with four words. ("I revoke Article Fifty.") Daydream believer, I know.

billynomates said: Parliament wont let him implement the will of the people so he has to do what is necessary. Theres been enough faffing around at this stage.

Fatpete said:
There is an argument that they are demanding that he implement the will of the people.
No-one voted for a no deal. That was never mentioned in 2016, even Farage insisted there be a deal. They are all trying to re-write history and pretend that no deal was an option but it wasn't.
So they want the deal that was promised and don't want the no-deal that was never mentioned. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
Of course this was always going to be the outcome when you vote against something and not for something.
It's akin to having fish and chips for your dinner every day, you take a vote on whether to continue eating fish and chips or to bin them and have "something else"
48% vote fish and chips and 52% vote something else. That is the easy bit done, now the hard bit starts getting the diners on agreeing what "something else" actually is. If you offer roast beef a couple will think that is delicious and the others will say, "I don't want that s**t, I never voted for roast beef"
Now, they didn't vote for roast beef, but they did vote something else and roast beef is something else so maybe they did. All parliament is trying to do is get Boris to take dogs**t sandwiches off the list of possibilities. Especially as there is a significant number of MPs who believe that dogs**t sandwiches is his preferred option.
All in my humble opinion of course.
Good luck to us all.

BigMacca said:
The voting slip had two options on it
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union
The government produced leaflet that accompanied said voting slip made very clear that leaving the EU may leave the UK in worse economic position.
That's what was voted on.
What the campaign's were peddling on both sides is almost irrelevant now.
Did the leave campaign say we'd be able to get a great deal? Yup
Did the remain campaign promise immediate hardship if we voted to leave(doomsday budgets, back of the queue for US trade deal, immediate detrimental effect on UK economy)?
Sure did.
Doesn't effect what people actually voted on, to suggest that no-one understood what the voting slip actually meant is, quite frankly, silly.
Whatever the outcome, it needs to be resolved quickly. Parliament needs to be able to function again and businesses need to be able to plan.
The current state of deadlock/limbo is very damaging in itself.

slimsim said:
I disagree. The media played a massive role in pushing certain agendas and whilst the facts may have been out there they weren't shouted about as loudly as other aspects, like how the NHS would receive £235m/week or whatever it was according to Boris's bus.
In addition to that, did ANYONE hear anything about a hard border in Ireland and consider the implications of this?
What is silly is what I put in my first post about being offered steak, being serve up cheap mince yet not being given the opportunity to complain about it.
What would be undemocratic about a second referendum now that people have a much better idea of how things will pan out?

Nimble said:
Not sure where the billionaires brexit meme came from. There are a couple of rich individuals that support brexit of course but the wealthy on the whole are overwhelming remain

Rick said:
Didn't say that. Was talking specifically about press ownership. EU media regulation has certainly made Murdoch unhappy frequently in the past.