Arnold Strongman Classic Final 2019 in Ohio
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| ChrisMcCarthy |  | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 08:47 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | If you look into how Dexa Scans are done I would guess that the references they use probably go out of the window for SHW Athletes. Ray Williams recently had a Dexa that gave him 260lbs of FFM at 425lbs...which is a little confusing as he was part of another study that gave him about 305lbs of FFM at 404lbs BW (he's not lost 45lbs of muscle in that time)...so I wonder what the difference is that is.causing that, er, difference. | ||
| drex50 |  | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 15:20 |
 It's a moonface era now. Member 5901, 956 posts | Post Edited: 10.03.2019 @ 15:21 PM by drex50 Nimble said: Bone size is one of the limiting factors on potential maximum muscle mass. Muscle mass directly correlates with strength (but is obviously not the only predictor of it). So yes, there is a relation, and probably a significant one, although I’m not sure it’s been directly studied. First i think the bone density relates more to strength than bone size and second its the frame that defines how much potential u have to carry size. In comparison Denis Cyplenkov has bigger bones than Thor but he has smaller frame. Shaws bones are just a pound heavier than Zs considering the stats above but he is easily 20-30 kg heavier without even looking as puffy as Z. This is how i see it in general... You might consider these guys as some freaks of nature but this is completely not the case. What genetic tools Thor and Shaw have more than an average NBA player. None. The real freak factor of modern proffesional strength sport is the ability to take drugs, to respond good and to handle side effects. The ability to be non-stop on massive amounts and do no bridging between cycles is what sets you above the rest. Believe it or not this is how i see it. There are plenty of super talents in strongman who just didnt handle the negative effects and gave up early. | ||
| KevC86 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 16:15 |
 Member 5141, 4199 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | drex50 said: You might consider these guys as some freaks of nature but this is completely not the case. What genetic tools Thor and Shaw have more than an average NBA player. None. Is your suggestion here that people make it to the NBA without being genetically gifted? | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 16:48 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Your genes are you potential..If you end up 5.7 and 200lb your potential to be 400lbs and 6.10 was never there. Hard work is important but genes are the potential. I got 2lb of beefburgers for dinner...never gonna make 4lb of steak out of that.  | ||
| drex50 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:02 |
It's a moonface era now. Member 5901, 956 posts | KevC86 said: Is your suggestion here that people make it to the NBA without being genetically gifted? In terms of strength... yes they are not. | ||
| drex50 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:13 |
It's a moonface era now. Member 5901, 956 posts | dannyboy73 said:Your genes are you potential..If you end up 5.7 and 200lb your potential to be 400lbs and 6.10 was never there. Hard work is important but genes are the potential. I got 2lb of beefburgers for dinner...never gonna make 4lb of steak out of that. These days being short puts you out of the equation of winning WSM or Arnolds, just because you cant put as much mass as the taller guys. Its a mass game, the heavier guys win the last 10 years. And its not just mass its a lot of muscle, and how u make 300+ pounds of lean muscle... well we know the answer. Long live insulina. | ||
| KevC86 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:20 |
Member 5141, 4199 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 10.03.2019 @ 17:21 PM by KevC86 Your arguments are going against each other here Drex. Either you need to be tall, in which case you need big bones. Or, you don't need big bones in which case you will be average size. Bone size determines height, you cannot be tall without large bones. | ||
| PaulSavage | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:32 |
Member 2775, 6927 posts | Post Edited: 10.03.2019 @ 17:32 PM by PaulSavage Genetics arnt just about height and bone size guys. A lot of the wsm guys were naturally very strong, 500lb+ deadlifts straight away, some 600lb etc it's the natural strength that sets these people apart from others, they were simply born strong and there bodies want to be strong so they also respond well to strength training. Someone who can deadlift 100lb no training, who is naturally weak would struggle just to get to there starting strength levels with decade of training and whatever gear they liked. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:35 |
 his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | I think how you respond to training stimulus/drugs is more important than the starting point. | ||
| PaulSavage | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:38 |
Member 2775, 6927 posts | LessThanLuke said:I think how you respond to training stimulus/drugs is more important than the starting point. These people respond better anyway from my experience but when you have to reach 500-600% of your starting strength just to get even, that's a giant hole to climb out of. | ||
| drex50 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:43 |
It's a moonface era now. Member 5901, 956 posts | KevC86 said: Bone size determines height, you cannot be tall without large bones. I dont think thats true. | ||
| drex50 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:44 |
It's a moonface era now. Member 5901, 956 posts | LessThanLuke said:I think how you respond to training stimulus/drugs is more important than the starting point. I agree. | ||
| KevC86 | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 17:49 |
Member 5141, 4199 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | drex50 said: KevC86 said: Bone size determines height, you cannot be tall without large bones. I dont think thats true. So you think you can be 6'8 with a 5'6 skeleton? | ||
| Mikeneto | | ... | 10-03-2019 @ 19:25 |
End of an era. Member 4646, 1964 posts | Post Edited: 10.03.2019 @ 19:25 PM by Mikeneto Big Z had a 16lbs skeleton in 2014...shrunk it down to 12lbs now he has retired. | ||
| Nimble | | ... | 11-03-2019 @ 00:24 |
 woefully weak Member 4748, 1506 posts SQ 157, BP 133, DL 260550.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | LessThanLuke said:I think how you respond to training stimulus/drugs is more important than the starting point. I think research shows initial muscle mass is a good predictor of training response though. @savage Of course bone size isn’t the only factor... it’s neccessary but not sufficient. Fiber type, insertion points, relative lengths of different bones, genetic dispensation towards muscle gain, ability to cope with large PED loads and other things are all important factors. But all else being equal, the guy with the larger frame will eventually be the strongest | ||