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Martin1956IconType 2 Diabetes17-04-2018 @ 11:51 
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I've recently been diagnosed Type 2. On reflection, I'm amazed me that it's taken this long, given my lifelong sweet tooth and my insatiable appetite for chocolate and sweet fizzy drinks over the years. However these have now gone and I'm trying to manage the condition with diet rather than medication.

I know a few people with Type 2, but none who strength train seriously. And I'm already well on the way to falling out with the practice nurse who thinks I'm way overweight at 93 Kg - and I've put on 2.5 since seeing her, so goodness knows what she'll say next time! (As part of the undiagnosed condition, and while I was taking a break to heal up, I dropped 10 Kg BW, so putting weight back on as I train again seems pretty natural, but I plan to lift at 93 from now on which meeans walking round at 95)

Anyone else on here with this condition who could share some tips on how they manage the condition? Thanks in advance.
MikenetoIcon...17-04-2018 @ 11:57 
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Not had it. But in one of his vids Stan Efferding said he was close and then took high doses of vit D and he got much better readings.

So maybe take 10,000 iu of vitamin D3 a day.

Martin1956Icon...17-04-2018 @ 12:47 
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Interesting, thanks. I already take D3, but only the recommended 1000 iu per day. perhaps it's time to up the dose... Happy
Martin1956Icon...17-04-2018 @ 12:53 
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Think I'll up to 4000 for starters... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-side-effects#section...
BigMaccaIcon...17-04-2018 @ 13:10 
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Hi Martin,

The best thing you can do is to go on an ultra low carb diet (under 30g of usable carbs a day).

This will completely manage your condition and depending on how far along you are, can actually reverse some of the damage (you can restore your insulin sensitivity).

My dad got diagnosed with type II about 7 years ago (when he was 66) and I convinced him to let me try and manage it with his diet as opposed to going down the metformin (which just allows you to get sicker in my opinion) and then insulin route.

After just a few months following the diet, his body composition had changed for the better, his weight was down and his fasting blood sugar levels were at 4.5 mmol/L (which were at 8.1 mmol/L).

Once we had a stable baseline, we starting introducing carbs again - Just once a week to start with for a 6-8 hour period and after another few months of this his fasting blood levels were still only at 5.0 mmol/L (everything else was stable).

He's now upto 2 6-8 hour carb windows a week and his levels have been stable at 5.5 mmol/L.

So even my Dad, who was pretty far gone at 66, has managed to restore some level of insulin sensitivity and still gets to eat plenty of carbs a couple of times a week.

Unfortunately, the NHS is still somewhat behind on this kind of thing, so if it's something you want to try, you need to do the research yourself.
My Dad did keep his diabetic nurse informed about what he was going to do instead of medicating and she told him that it was pointless and he would just make himself sicker.

7 years on and she's still amazed and thinks that he must be some sort of genetic outlier to have recovered so much Eek

Macca
little_aIcon...17-04-2018 @ 15:36 
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BigMacca said:
The best thing you can do is to go on an ultra low carb diet (under 30g of usable carbs a day).

I was going to suggest this, but knew that you'd be along to put it better Mac

Unfortunately, the NHS is still somewhat behind on this kind of thing, so if it's something you want to try, you need to do the research yourself.

Frustrating given the strain of poor dietary habits on the NHS
7 years on and she's still amazed and thinks that he must be some sort of genetic outlier to have recovered so much Eek

As my old fella used to say, there's none so blind as those who don't want to see
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Martin1956Icon...17-04-2018 @ 15:44 
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Many thanks for the replies guys. I've never calorie counted or eaten strictly in my life, so could I continue training (and here I mean getting good enough to win titles, not just ticking over with a few light weights) on such a low calorie intake?

I was appalled with the diabetes nurse, tbh. All she wanted to do was deliver her standard lecture, she wasn't listening to a word I said and just preached weight loss, with no concept of body composition and no appreciation of what I do to a high standard. I think we're going to fall out...
LessThanLukeIcon...17-04-2018 @ 15:45 
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Martin1956 said:Many thanks for the replies guys. I've never calorie counted or eaten strictly in my life, so could I continue training (and here I mean getting good enough to win titles, not just ticking over with a few light weights) on such a low calorie intake?



Macca will correct me if I am wrong but low carbs does not have to mean low calorie.
I know quite a few very strong people who eat very few carbs.
BigMaccaIcon...17-04-2018 @ 16:33 
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Post Edited: 17.04.2018 @ 16:48 PM by BigMacca
LessThanLuke said:
Macca will correct me if I am wrong but low carbs does not have to mean low calorie.
I know quite a few very strong people who eat very few carbs.

You're not wrong Luke, low carb most definitely does not mean low calorie in this instance
matthewvcIcon...17-04-2018 @ 16:43 
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there's a supplement, alpha lipoic acid that is supposed to be good for managing blood glucose and improving insulin resistance. 'R-alpha-lipoic acid' or 'R-ALA' is the more potent form
AMH_PowerIcon...17-04-2018 @ 19:17 
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I didn't think sugar was the cause of it?

Anyways...

I've seen a study on BPC157 regenerating beta cells and a damaged pancreas.
I've also seen a study showing Epitalon halting any progress of the disease and increasing insulin sensitivity...

As for over the counter / drug free:

Alpha-lipoic acid increases insulin sensitivity
Magnesium also ^^
Spirulina increases sensitivity, lower triglycerides and does loads of other magic.

HIIT shouldn't affect strength levels if programmed in correctly and can also play a big role in resetting how TGLUT cells work; further increasing sensitivity.

Obviously the standard stuff is drastically revising your macros so that high GI foods are eaten post workout where TGLUT can clear a vast percentage of blood sugars without insulin and can plead ignorance to insulin resistance.

The elephant in the room is compounds you may/may not be taking which is causing it...
AMH_PowerIcon...17-04-2018 @ 19:17 
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matthewvc said:there's a supplement, alpha lipoic acid that is supposed to be good for managing blood glucose and improving insulin resistance. 'R-alpha-lipoic acid' or 'R-ALA' is the more potent form


This!
Martin1956Icon...17-04-2018 @ 23:39 
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Thanks everyone, much good advice very gratefully received. Happy
HenkIcon...18-04-2018 @ 21:17 
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Just came across this, may shed some light on the low carbs part (I haven't watched it yet):

http://vimeo.com/244921302/55b009b05d
FinchIcon...18-04-2018 @ 22:55 
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I am a type 2 diabetic Martin, first diagnosed in 2000.

My diabetic nurse also treats me like i'm 8 years old, however this is probably because I pretty much ignored all her advice and carried on eating rubbish for years, weight currently fluctuates between 115 and 118Kg.

A couple of years back my weight started to tumble and I was waking up most mornings feeling drunk, I visited the doctor and he informed me that my blood sugar level which should be reading between 5 and 8 was 26...
From that day they put me on insulin and I now inject twice a day, the positive is that my blood readings are usually between 5 and 10, the negative is that being insulin dependent means that I have to re-apply for my driving license every 3 years and health/travel insurance goes through the roof!

After a while injecting just becomes normal everyday practice.
One other positive, all my prescriptions are free but as they only allow you 4 weeks medicine at a time you'll spend half your life at the chemist!

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