An old, fat fool starts a log. Hope no-one minds

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b15ape1		...	25-01-2017 @ 21:02
British bum sex champ Member 450, 1601 posts SQ 315, BP 212.5, DL 290 817.5 kgs @ 137kgs Eq	Fatpete said:And that bombshell starts page 900. Welcome one and all Congrats Pedro... ....I'd like to see at least another 900 more!

ChrisMcCarthy		...	25-01-2017 @ 22:24
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	Fatpete said:And that bombshell starts page 900. Welcome one and all Pleased to be here! I'm not sure that qualifies as a Bombshell, mind - I'm sure it has been mentioned here in the past, once by a World Record Holder in fact. Though maybe in stronger terms, now I think about it... I look forward to seeing how you go about implementing and adjusting to this change should you decide to make it.

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 06:57
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	ChrisMcCarthy said: Pleased to be here! ... And I am pleased you are

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 07:00
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	ChrisMcCarthy said: I'm not sure that qualifies as a Bombshell, mind - I'm sure it has been mentioned here in the past, once by a World Record Holder in fact. Though maybe in stronger terms, now I think about it.... It is a bombshell, at least in my world. I do believe that all other objections, including those of the WRH have been on the wasted energy front. This is the first that I recall that is for reasons of enhanced recovery. To the best of my very limited knowledge this the first time that this has been mentioned. It is the only reason that I would give credence to.

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 07:02
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	ChrisMcCarthy said: I look forward to seeing how you go about implementing and adjusting to this change should you decide to make it. How, should not be so difficult, IF, is the hurdle I have to get over.

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 07:03
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Very cold today, as cold as a blonde's heart as some say. It is unlikely to get over zero degrees today, but it is Thursday and I don't care. Temperatures should start to pick up tomorrow.

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 07:06
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	b15ape1 said: Congrats Pedro... ....I'd like to see at least another 900 more! thank you. Out of interest I checked when I started this and it was January 2009, so eight years ago. Where will we be eight years from now ? Best not to dwell on that one


ChrisMcCarthy		...	26-01-2017 @ 08:13
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	Fatpete said: It is a bombshell, at least in my world. I do believe that all other objections, including those of the WRH have been on the wasted energy front. This is the first that I recall that is for reasons of enhanced recovery. To the best of my very limited knowledge this the first time that this has been mentioned. It is the only reason that I would give credence to. The two go hand-in-hand, no?

Bim		...	26-01-2017 @ 09:17
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295 755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	I sometimes do the down bit on SLDL very controlled and they are no doubt about it a lot more taxing.

BigMacca		...	26-01-2017 @ 11:02
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9942 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: It is a bombshell, at least in my world. I do believe that all other objections, including those of the WRH have been on the wasted energy front. This is the first that I recall that is for reasons of enhanced recovery. To the best of my very limited knowledge this the first time that this has been mentioned. It is the only reason that I would give credence to. I have to say Mr Pete, that when I offered up my tuppence about this matter, wasting energy and recovery time were intrinsically linked. When I was telling you that a slow controlled eccentric on every deadlift was wasting energy and a man that has a history of running the gas tank empty before his final deadlift probably shouldn't be doing them, I was in fact telling you in another manner that not doing them would decrease your recovery time. If you could take 30 minutes between sets / attempts I sure that it wouldn't matter how slowly you lowered the bar to the floor..... I sometimes forget just what an old, fat fool you really are.

Fatpete		...	26-01-2017 @ 17:06
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	BigMacca said: I sometimes forget just what an old, fat fool you really are. Luckily I never do. In layman's terms then (as I know no others), my understanding is this. If you exercise a muscle it takes (for argument's sake) five days to repair. It doesn't matter how hard you work it as the body will work harder to repair it in the same time. However tendons are a different matter, the more repair it needs the longer it takes as the body repairs it at a given speed. So for muscles the speed varies to keep the time the same and for tendons, the time varies as the repair rate is fixed. This is largely due to the tendons having no direct blood supply I believe. I could of course have misunderstood f**king everything and be talking out my arse. But in future, please never forget that you are dealing with a simpleton. My apologies for more or less everything, I don't mean to be this thick and I am eternally grateful that there are those who are prepared to overlook it.

BigMacca		...	26-01-2017 @ 17:40
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9942 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: Luckily I never do. In layman's terms then (as I know no others), my understanding is this. If you exercise a muscle it takes (for argument's sake) five days to repair. It doesn't matter how hard you work it as the body will work harder to repair it in the same time. However tendons are a different matter, the more repair it needs the longer it takes as the body repairs it at a given speed. So for muscles the speed varies to keep the time the same and for tendons, the time varies as the repair rate is fixed. This is largely due to the tendons having no direct blood supply I believe. I could of course have misunderstood f**king everything and be talking out my arse. But in future, please never forget that you are dealing with a simpleton. My apologies for more or less everything, I don't mean to be this thick and I am eternally grateful that there are those who are prepared to overlook it. You're understanding is correct dear Sir, however I don't think you need worry about this in your case. Simply put, doing slow controlled eccentrics with your normal deadlifting weights is not going to cause any significant damage to your tendons, in fact it could be argued that it might even be beneficial as slow controlled eccentrics are one of the few things that actually increase blood flow to tendons. As you have always deadlifted this way, would wager a sizable sum of money that your tendons are more than strong enough to cope. If you all of a sudden decide to start doing eccentrics with supramaximal weights (something like 300kg for example), then you might need to start worrying about your tendon recovery rates.

ChrisMcCarthy		...	26-01-2017 @ 22:16
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	I think the way to look at this is that the positives of the Library put down do come with the negatives....you just need to be cognizant of when those negatives do not create a problem (Off-Season) and when they do (Pre-Competition and particularly In Competition). I'll lay decent odds you will find your palms and fingers with thank you if you lay off them on the heavier sets too.

Fatpete		...	27-01-2017 @ 07:00
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	BigMacca said: Simply put, doing slow controlled eccentrics with your normal deadlifting weights is not going to cause any significant damage to your tendons, in fact it could be argued that it might even be beneficial as slow controlled eccentrics are one of the few things that actually increase blood flow to tendons. Precisely the point that Mr.C made. he didn't know that I did them and advised I start for this very reason. It was just the extended recovery period that caused him to pause and drop the bombshell.

Fatpete		...	27-01-2017 @ 07:07
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	ChrisMcCarthy said:I think the way to look at this is that the positives of the Library put down do come with the negatives....you just need to be cognizant of when those negatives do not create a problem (Off-Season) and when they do (Pre-Competition and particularly In Competition). This being the year of experimentation I am duty bound to try it. However the thought of slamming a bar down in competition horrifies me. If the experimentation is what you believe it will be I may be unable to compete ever again. I still believe that the confidence aspect of the library lift is so great that even in competition it would over-ride any and all negative aspects of it. However, some time in the future, in a cold, dark gym in Lancashire a reputation twenty years tall will be put to the test. If I am right, I may compete again, if I am not, I may have to borrow an additional beard to stroke to ponder that one.

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