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Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 08:28
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	I feel that Wiggers has pretty much hit the nail on the head. I don't honestly know if they can host open weight or sex competitions. But they are so unthinkable that they probably don't have a rule against it, just as there is no rule against squatting with a spike through your neck. Just the one last point, and then I will shut the f**k up, I promise. If you have a 20, a 40, a 50 and a 65 year old set of superheavies, then you can run the comp just the same but when you announce the results you say that the 20 year old won the juniors, the 40 won the masters1, the 50 year old won the masters2 and the 65 year old won the masters3, rather than they came 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the open. Anyway, the horse is now dead so no need to beat it any more, I feel better for getting it off my chest and no-one is going to do a damned thing just because I don't like it. Thank you all for your contributions, I do appreciate them very much and probably don't tell you that often enough.

Wigan		...	23-08-2016 @ 08:40
a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250 637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: Just the one last point, and then I will shut the f**k up, I promise. If you have a 20, a 40, a 50 and a 65 year old set of superheavies, then you can run the comp just the same but when you announce the results you say that the 20 year old won the juniors, the 40 won the masters1, the 50 year old won the masters2 and the 65 year old won the masters3, rather than they came 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the open. If you did that then you would surely have to do away with the North West Juniors and Masters comps, as if you didn't Juniors and Masters would have multiple chances to become North West Champion (plus you could have, for example, multiple people being crowned NW Masters 2 120 class champion?), which would be discriminating against the 24-39 years olds as they only have one bite at the cherry. Are you suggesting that you just have one enormous North West Comp covering all age groups?

ChrisMcCarthy		...	23-08-2016 @ 08:56
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	Post Edited: 23.08.2016 @ 08:57 AM by ChrisMcCarthy I can think of several sports that hold "Open" Comps from which Age Group / Gender winners are separated out at a later stage...my only dislike of that is that a Open Comp can have an effect on attempt selection that wouldn't be there in a head-to-head like-for-like contest. Now...of course it is up to each competitor to maximise their kilos as best as they can, but come the final deadlift it doesn't really work that way. Oh, and Pete, sorry if you wish to move on but this is a very interesting discussion I think.

BigMacca		...	23-08-2016 @ 10:57
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9942 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: Just the one last point, and then I will shut the f**k up, I promise. If you have a 20, a 40, a 50 and a 65 year old set of superheavies, then you can run the comp just the same but when you announce the results you say that the 20 year old won the juniors, the 40 won the masters1, the 50 year old won the masters2 and the 65 year old won the masters3, rather than they came 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the open. This is exactly how the BDFPA run their competitions if that's of any interest of you Mr Pete? As someone who is very nearly forty, I quite like the fact I will be able to enter the 'open' comps. Although I suspect that I would feel that it was a bit rum if that was my only option (no masters only comps). I suspect that the reason that any age group can enter the open comps is that having the juniors and masters compete won't be seen as being disadvantageous to the 'main' age group the comp is aimed at, the seniors (I think that we can agree that the senior category is usually the considered the strongest) Having the comp as being open simply let's the juniors and masters lifters test themselves against the strongest age category if they so wish. I have to agree with the others here and sat that under no circumstances should you be made to feel stupid / dumb for asking the question. You are however an still an oaf, but the reasoning for this is an entirely separate matter. Macca

Billytheold		...	23-08-2016 @ 11:07
Sugdens crazy old person. Member 4936, 7288 posts SQ 270, BP 155, DL 270 695.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	They can keep the award. I would want the titke.

Billytheold		...	23-08-2016 @ 11:07
Sugdens crazy old person. Member 4936, 7288 posts SQ 270, BP 155, DL 270 695.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Titke

Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 12:11
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	As I was contemplating a retort to Wiggers post - the penny finally dropped. It is so obvious that I can but marvel that it took so long but I have it now. Juniors are up to age twenty three, and masters are forty and over, there is no name for the group in the twenty four to thirty nine age group. They are commonly known as Seniors but that is unofficial. Consequently, there is no competition for them on their own, they have to enter the open competitions. Of course this is where, as it is open, everyone else is entitled to enter as well, should they wish to. When I started competitive lifting in the North Wests ten years ago I was told that you had to lift at the North Wests in order to lift at the British, as you would be disallowed from lifting at the British unless you had. Therefore you were in effect forced to lift in an open competition against men you hadn't a hope of beating just to compete in a different competition in the following year. Some believe this to be the case yet, others say it is a rule no longer. If I recall correctly on one's entry form for the British it does ask what qualification you had done and where you had done it, but it did not ask about a specific competition. So there we have it, the cause of all the confusion, why the people I asked just did not tell me this I can only guess. But thanks to Wiggers for making the post that prompted the dropping of the penny and thanks to Macca who either knew all along or worked it out a lot quicker than I did.


Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 12:11
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	BigMacca said: You are however an still an oaf, but the reasoning for this is an entirely separate matter. Appreciated. No argument offered

BigMacca		...	23-08-2016 @ 12:40
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9942 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 23.08.2016 @ 12:41 PM by BigMacca Fatpete said: But thanks to Wiggers for making the post that prompted the dropping of the penny and thanks to Macca who either knew all along or worked it out a lot quicker than I did. I knew the answer Mr Pete (although i confess that it took some time to work out what the question was),I was just late to the party as I am currently lazing around in sunny France and arising later than usual. By the time my enchanted slumber had ceased the horse had well and truly bolted the stable on this one. Hopefully all is now well Sir. Normal service will be resumed from Thursday when I return to the homestead. Macca

Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 12:52
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Billytheold said:Titke Billy, this is madness of the highest order. I do so enjoy your posts

Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 12:54
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	BigMacca said: Hopefully all is now well Sir. Very much so, it has been ten years in the coming but I am a happy bunny once more, I radiate cheerfulness as only a twenty two stone, shaven headed, bearded man, who has worn a singlet more times than he can remember, can

Martin1956		...	23-08-2016 @ 13:11
Old Age Presser Member 75, 7734 posts SQ 0, BP 200, DL 200 400.0 kgs @ 105kgs Eq	Think of the Worlds Pete. You have a junior championships, a masters championships and an open championships. Anyone can enter the open (with selection, of course) but juniors or masters good enough for selection for the open compete on equal terms with senior lifters. I guess the north west is just doing that in microcosm. But I feel your pain, and in BDFPA opens masters performances were also acknowledged.

Wigan		...	23-08-2016 @ 13:33
a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6840 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250 637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: When I started competitive lifting in the North Wests ten years ago I was told that you had to lift at the North Wests in order to lift at the British, as you would be disallowed from lifting at the British unless you had. Does this not refer to having to lift in the NW Masters to be able to lift in the British Master, and NW Juniors to lift in the British Juniors etc, rather than having to lift in the NW 'Open' to lift in any British? If I recall correctly on one's entry form for the British it does ask what qualification you had done and where you had done it, but it did not ask about a specific competition. If it were me I would simply ask the competition secretary, or organiser, to clarify the eligibility criteria for lifting in the British Masters. Specifically is there a requirement to compete in any specific events to be able to enter the British or is achievement of the qualifying total at any British Powerlifting competition in the qualifying period sufficient?

Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 18:04
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	ChrisMcCarthy said: Oh, and Pete, sorry if you wish to move on but this is a very interesting discussion I think. No, no, by all means carry on if you wish

Fatpete		...	23-08-2016 @ 18:06
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17871 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Martin1956 said:Think of the Worlds Pete. You have a junior championships, a masters championships and an open championships. Anyone can enter the open (with selection, of course) but juniors or masters good enough for selection for the open compete on equal terms with senior lifters. I guess the north west is just doing that in microcosm. Now that I understand that I don't really mind. The thing that was confusing me was that in the North Wests we were told we had to lift. But with hindsight I suspect that the fact that we only had about thirty members was a factor

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