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RickIcon...08-05-2020 @ 15:52 
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Will, you seem to be ignoring the many elapsed years, considerable genetic divergence, and pangolin intermediary.
WILLSANIcon...08-05-2020 @ 17:09 
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not at all. just think of the probabilities.

the sequence of events that would have to occur for that virus to pop up in that location naturally is far outweighed by the likelihood of it coming from the lab - in my opinion of course. we will all weigh it up differently but to dismiss any narrative at this point would be foolish.

and dont forget the additional questions raised about its genetic heritage and the kind of experiments they were running there. and we havent even touched on the ccp's suspicious actions regarding the lab in the wake of the outbreak. that is another whole can of worms.
dannyboy73Icon...09-05-2020 @ 09:05 
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Post Edited: 09.05.2020 @ 09:21 AM by dannyboy73
So, the latest data suggests that if you are healthy under 45...almost zero chance of death and if you are healthy 65 (working age) same chance as driving long distance daily of death...However, the fear campaign has worked so well that most healthy people are now scared half to death.

you just know they are gonna extend this house arrest for another 3 weeks... for what? no way are we going to get the antibody within a year by which time there will be mass poverty.

I despair, I honestly do.
JohnGymIcon...09-05-2020 @ 09:44 
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Danny, you bought 6 months worth of food and told everyone to batten down the hatches.
Now 7 weeks in you’ve had enough?
dannyboy73Icon...09-05-2020 @ 11:14 
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Post Edited: 09.05.2020 @ 11:15 AM by dannyboy73
i did predict food issues.

Don't get me wrong, if you pay me just enough so I dont need to touch saving and I knew that I would have work thereafter, I could stay home 18 months.

But now the facts have emerged I have altered my view on shutting the economy down.

I recall you changed you mind on the issue of its isnt just flu and that's one thing i admire about you John. I just think the direction we are heading is a cliff edge.

JohnGym said:Danny, you bought 6 months worth of food and told everyone to batten down the hatches.
Now 7 weeks in you’ve had enough?
AdamTIcon...09-05-2020 @ 11:14 
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Lockdown until 2022!!

In all seriousness we should shield the vulnerable as much as we can and try to go back to normal

With no treatments and likely no successful vaccine, we cannot hide forever. The economic crisis will by far out weigh the devastation of the virus

I understand fit and healthy, young and old alike can die

However, the chances of dying with her at disease is still much greater, or cancer

Herd immunity is a brutal term, but it is the only way, as the virus is going nowhere
dannyboy73Icon...09-05-2020 @ 11:20 
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Im with you mate except for this... a few isolated cases where no underlying health conditions in single figures. how many people with no underlying health conditions drop dead of sudden death syndrome? the odds are this almost 100% healthy young and middle age people will not die. more chance of death from car crash and thats where the economy is going...train wreck.


AdamT said:

I understand fit and healthy, young and old alike can die

AdamTIcon...09-05-2020 @ 11:30 
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f**king plandemic with a natural virus manipulated in a lab

I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but this is f**king odd
WILLSANIcon...09-05-2020 @ 12:59 
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Obese people to work from home under draft plan for lifting lockdown

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11550850/obese-people-work-from-home-...

this could get awkward..
BigMaccaIcon...09-05-2020 @ 14:35 
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Post Edited: 09.05.2020 @ 14:36 PM by BigMacca
WILLSAN said:Obese people to work from home under draft plan for lifting lockdown

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11550850/obese-people-work-from-home-...

this could get awkward..

Actual risk factors appear to be (excluding serious underlying health conditions such as being immunocompromised etc);
  • Being old (Basically over 45 but risk increases as your get older)
  • Being overweight
  • Having diabetes
  • Having asthma
  • Having high blood pressure

I should imagine that's a fair old chunk of the UK population.

Going to be a tricky one for sure
WILLSANIcon...09-05-2020 @ 17:59 
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BigMacca said:
Actual risk factors appear to be (excluding serious underlying health conditions such as being immunocompromised etc);
  • Being old (Basically over 45 but risk increases as your get older)
  • Being overweight
  • Having diabetes
  • Having asthma
  • Having high blood pressure

I should imagine that's a fair old chunk of the UK population.
Going to be a tricky one for sure


id guess half the people at my place of work would fall into those categories.
WILLSANIcon...09-05-2020 @ 18:38 
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a critical care protocol for covid-19 treatment:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicin...

contains this:

Prophylaxis

While there is very limited data (and none specific for COVID-19), the following “cocktail” may have a
role in the prevention/mitigation of COVID-19 disease. While there is no high-level evidence that this
cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and widely available.
• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day (acetate, gluconate or picolinate). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After 1
month, reduce the dose to 30-50 mg/day.
• Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 2 mg at night
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day

Symptomatic patients (at home):

• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Optional: ASA 81 -325 mg/day
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days
• Optional: In highly symptomatic patients, monitoring with home pulse oximetry is
recommended


could be useful to know.
BigMaccaIcon...09-05-2020 @ 19:11 
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WILLSAN said:a critical care protocol for covid-19 treatment:
https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicin...
contains this:
could be useful to know.

One thing for sure is that the best thing we can do individually is to monitor our o2 levels with a pulse oximeter.

If they drop below 95 then it's straight to the doc!
HamIcon...10-05-2020 @ 10:50 
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I still call bulls**t on something, not sure what yet but bulls**t for sure.

Even the gov downgraded the threat in march to less worrisome than Bird flu and no one seems to care.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hc...


Phone tracking app weirdly needs folks to be 2m apart for accuracy so I am told.
WILLSANIcon...10-05-2020 @ 12:25 
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Ham said:I still call bulls**t on something, not sure what yet but bulls**t for sure.

Even the gov downgraded the threat in march to less worrisome than Bird flu and no one seems to care.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hc...


Phone tracking app weirdly needs folks to be 2m apart for accuracy so I am told.


an event like this is the authoritarians wet dream. the public are scared and, as a result of that, are willing to accept a level of government intrusion that they wouldnt under normal circumstances. problem is, once government takes on new powers it is often reticent to relinquish them even when the crisis that created the need for them is over. I just hope the british public is aware of this enough to push back on any overreach - the reaction to the overzealous policing we saw early on makes me hopeful that they will.

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