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MarkPaceIconWhen to wear a belt?11-04-2010 @ 21:01 
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I have recently started to train for strength, currently i do all lifting beltless and my back feels fine.

When do you decide to wear a belt and would it increase my totals?

Mark
doc77Icon...11-04-2010 @ 21:03 
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Stay without as much as poss mate it will do you good in the long run
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...11-04-2010 @ 21:09 
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When you need to get a bar/axle up to your chest that you're not able to power clean Grin
MarkPaceIcon...11-04-2010 @ 21:22 
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Thanks for the advice, can spend the belt money on some more food now!
Col_AustinIcon...11-04-2010 @ 22:22 
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MarkPace said:I have recently started to train for strength, currently i do all lifting beltless and my back feels fine.

When do you decide to wear a belt and would it increase my totals?

Mark

A power belt has little to do with supporting your back. It gives you something to push your abs against, increases intra-abdominal pressure and will allow you to lift more. If you're serious about maximizing your strength potential you should therefore think about introducing some belted work into your training.

If you're used to training raw you could just put it on for your last warm-up set and then wear it for your work sets. The only way to know how much it will give you is to try it. You may well wear it tighter for squats than deadlifts. It's not necessary for many (if any) other movements.

If you're worried about losing core strength by using a belt for heavy squat and deadlift, don't be, because you won't do.
Tom_MartinIcon...12-04-2010 @ 01:32 
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Col_Austin said:
A power belt has little to do with supporting your back. It gives you something to push your abs against, increases intra-abdominal pressure and will allow you to lift more. If you're serious about maximizing your strength potential you should therefore think about introducing some belted work into your training.
If you're used to training raw you could just put it on for your last warm-up set and then wear it for your work sets. The only way to know how much it will give you is to try it. You may well wear it tighter for squats than deadlifts. It's not necessary for many (if any) other movements.
If you're worried about losing core strength by using a belt for heavy squat and deadlift, don't be, because you won't do.


I have a lever belt, which over the course of using, I had to move the lever mechanism in a notch, not to wear the belt tighter on me, but to maintain the tightness it had when I started using it. Do belts stretch? I'm not lighter, and haven't lost any fat, if anything I've probably put a bit on. I'd considered that maybe my abs/obliques etc had atrophied from frequent belt use/infrequent heavy beltless work. It sounds like you'd probably dismiss this idea, as you are certain that belt work wouldn't lead to decreased core strength (and presumably core mass also)
Col_AustinIcon...12-04-2010 @ 01:41 
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Tom_Martin said:
I have a lever belt, which over the course of using, I had to move the lever mechanism in a notch, not to wear the belt tighter on me, but to maintain the tightness it had when I started using it. Do belts stretch? I'm not lighter, and haven't lost any fat, if anything I've probably put a bit on. I'd considered that maybe my abs/obliques etc had atrophied from frequent belt use/infrequent heavy beltless work. It sounds like you'd probably dismiss this idea, as you are certain that belt work wouldn't lead to decreased core strength (and presumably core mass also)

You've put 10 kilos on your squat and 15 kilos on your deadlift since January, whilst your bodyweight has remained the same. I therefore think it unlikely that your core strength has decreased. I suspect your belt has simply become more supple through use and the notches you were originally using stretched out a bit.

I would stress, I really think you only need to be using a belt on your top squat and deadlift sets and to hold your bench shirt in place though.
lil_leeIcon...12-04-2010 @ 01:42 
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Wayne_Cowdrey said:When you need to get a bar/axle up to your chest that you're not able to power clean Grin


then full clean/hitler it and dont be pussy! Wink
Tom_MartinIcon...12-04-2010 @ 02:13 
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Col_Austin said:
You've put 10 kilos on your squat and 15 kilos on your deadlift since January, whilst your bodyweight has remained the same. I therefore think it unlikely that your core strength has decreased. I suspect your belt has simply become more supple through use and the notches you were originally using stretched out a bit.
I would stress, I really think you only need to be using a belt on your top squat and deadlift sets and to hold your bench shirt in place though.


This makes sense, it's probably quite likely that my tolerance for 'tightness' has changed as well.

It seems I may be using my belt too much though by your standards. It goes on at 140kg and above for squats and deadlifts, but I find it to be a pyschological crutch rather than a physical one. Weights feel lighter coming off the squat stands in a belt, might be daft but it sets me up for a more confident squat, even for my last couple warm up sets. Confident warm up sets lead to confident working sets...

I also have a quite irrational fear of doing partial deadlifts without a belt. This is odd, as I've been deadlifting 300kg from the floor much longer than I've even owned a belt, but starting the pull from anywhere above the ground has me reaching for the belt instinctively...
MarkPaceIcon...12-04-2010 @ 08:20 
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Might see if i can try someones to see how i go with my current PBs on squat and DL, maybe do all my sets beltless and then put it on for my se t before PB and PB set?
Col_AustinIcon...12-04-2010 @ 09:09 
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MarkPace said:Might see if i can try someones to see how i go with my current PBs on squat and DL, maybe do all my sets beltless and then put it on for my se t before PB and PB set?

Sounds like a sensible way to try it to me. Let us know how you get on.
Col_AustinIcon...12-04-2010 @ 09:15 
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Tom_Martin said:
This makes sense, it's probably quite likely that my tolerance for 'tightness' has changed as well.
It seems I may be using my belt too much though by your standards. It goes on at 140kg and above for squats and deadlifts, but I find it to be a pyschological crutch rather than a physical one. Weights feel lighter coming off the squat stands in a belt, might be daft but it sets me up for a more confident squat, even for my last couple warm up sets. Confident warm up sets lead to confident working sets...
I also have a quite irrational fear of doing partial deadlifts without a belt. This is odd, as I've been deadlifting 300kg from the floor much longer than I've even owned a belt, but starting the pull from anywhere above the ground has me reaching for the belt instinctively...

As long as you're getting some direct, beltless core work in elsewhere in your rountine, I wouldn't worry.
staplegun16Icon...12-04-2010 @ 09:56 
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i dont go above 220 on deads and 200 squat without a belt, i have had a hernia and i just get scared when i start to feel pressure in my abs ! Belt up, it cant hurt, but not having it can !
doc77Icon...12-04-2010 @ 10:56 
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Post Edited: 12.04.2010 @ 10:57 AM by doc77
Col_Austin said:
Sounds like a sensible way to try it to me. Let us know how you get on.


This is about what I do a belt at light sets wont help but around a PB when form starts to break down it helps to wear a belt.

EDIT: s**t, quoted the wrong post...lol Confused Roll-Eyes
MarkPaceIcon...12-04-2010 @ 20:40 
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Thanks for all your replys, will try and update once done. This is a very helpful site!
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