When should i get a belt for squats?

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Terminator		When should i get a belt for squats?	23-06-2011 @ 19:33
jerking is obviously great, Member 2521, 4714 posts SQ 235, BP 160, DL 290 685.0 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq	Hi Guys! I'm not a particularly impressive squater (doing reps on around 120 kg), but I was wondering at what point in peoples training career they brought a belt? I squat high bar ATG by the way, I have heard that belts are less beneficial to people that squat like this than PL style

danbaseley		...	23-06-2011 @ 19:58
A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4475 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215 485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Scott Yard on elitefts squats plenty and pretty deep and is very much an exponent of using a belt, insomuch as he advised against someone insisting on NOT using one. Some people belt up from 100kg upwards. Some from 70 - 80% of their 1RM. Some for their heaviest set(s). Try one and see how you feel.

AdamC		...	23-06-2011 @ 20:12
Member 1519, 1476 posts SQ 320, BP 260, DL 320 900.0 kgs @ 117kgs Eq	at what weight do you feel you would benefit from adding one? regardless of what weight you use it from (I'd advise using it on a lighter weight then you really need to at first to help break it in on a weight your comfortable with doing) always aim to slowly increase the weight in which you add the belt for example I used to add a belt at around 140kg, now I go to 200kg before adding one

Matspence		...	23-06-2011 @ 20:12
Member 1391, 693 posts	I use belts for a new 1rm or anythin over 80%

Shaun		...	23-06-2011 @ 20:14
Member 1668, 1499 posts SQ 186, BP 102, DL 211 499.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Terminator said:Hi Guys! I'm not a particularly impressive squater (doing reps on around 120 kg), but I was wondering at what point in peoples training career they brought a belt? I squat high bar ATG by the way, I have heard that belts are less beneficial to people that squat like this than PL style The belt will help less with that style of squatting because of the more upright torso, which means there is less torque (using the physics rather than engineering definition) on the mid section. A belt is definitely a good training tool that will help you get stronger and squat more. The key when using one is to make sure that you can still squat heavy without it - although obviously not quite as heavy as with it. 120 is probably as good a time as any to get a belt.

Terminator		...	23-06-2011 @ 21:57
jerking is obviously great, Member 2521, 4714 posts SQ 235, BP 160, DL 290 685.0 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq	cheers guys. i think the best advice is to try a belt on low weight first. Will borrow one of the old belts they keep on the gym and try it with 60 kg to see if its useful first

Shaun		...	24-06-2011 @ 10:44
Member 1668, 1499 posts SQ 186, BP 102, DL 211 499.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	You probably won't notice any difference at 60kg, to be honest.


Carl		...	24-06-2011 @ 10:52
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5 673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator	i go upto 140 without a belt, then put a belt on for next set which is normally 180

Samthepigman		...	24-06-2011 @ 18:13
See You Next Tuesday Member 2254, 3824 posts SQ 240, BP 165, DL 300 705.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	I never use a belt for anything at the mo

IrishMarc		...	24-06-2011 @ 18:17
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320 862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.06.2011 @ 18:20 PM by IrishMarc Belt on for working sets or last warm up if I'm going to max. Squat belt on for 230+ (unless repping weight) Deadlift Belt on for 250+ (unless repping weight)

Thing		...	24-06-2011 @ 18:27
a large fingered spastic that demolishes plant Member 89, 31706 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 290 770.0 kgs @ 142kgs UnEq	everyone is different , but i would suggest that if your full fit and have perfiect form for you body type and lever there is no reason to have one. BUT if you feel that you need one then try to develop your working sets up to your top weight where you would put a belt on, this is an ideal situation that i would love to do and i'm trying to do this now in my rehab. it would mean a slower progression but in the long run i think you would benefit from this.

IainKendrick		...	24-06-2011 @ 18:31
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.06.2011 @ 18:33 PM by IainKendrick The belt will help less with that style of squatting because of the more upright torso, which means there is less torque (using the physics rather than engineering definition) on the mid section. However as soon as there is any change in torso angle the moment will be greater as distance from fulcrum and load is greater than in a low bar squat When to use a belt... whenever you want to lift a few kg more. Learn how to brace you core in and out of a belt and do plenty of work without it (dosn't have to be the staright lifts) and vola... nil problemo.

Shaun		...	24-06-2011 @ 19:55
Member 1668, 1499 posts SQ 186, BP 102, DL 211 499.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	IainKendrick said: However as soon as there is any change in torso angle the moment will be greater as distance from fulcrum and load is greater than in a low bar squat Not necessarily. It depends on the extent to which the angle has changed, and also how great the distance is between the low and high bar positions. However, the load is extremely unlikely to be greater because almost everyone can squat more weight using the low bar position than the high bar position. Even when I used to go GM high bar squats, I still felt it less in my lower back than what I feel low bar squats using proper form.

taz		...	24-06-2011 @ 20:12
he who does the volume wins Member 2498, 3652 posts SQ 160, BP 125, DL 225 510.0 kgs @ 109kgs UnEq	IrishMarc said:Belt on for working sets or last warm up if I'm going to max. I also use the same principle for deadlifting. But as mentioned some like my bro never use them even on max sets, others use them earlier during warm ups. Personal preference at the end of the day only you will know and find out when it's truly needed.

IainKendrick		...	24-06-2011 @ 20:51
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Shaun said: Not necessarily. It depends on the extent to which the angle has changed, and also how great the distance is between the low and high bar positions. However, the load is extremely unlikely to be greater because almost everyone can squat more weight using the low bar position than the high bar position. Even when I used to go GM high bar squats, I still felt it less in my lower back than what I feel low bar squats using proper form. Yes there are lots of variables.

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