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Funky_monkey		What's new (records smashed)	23-03-2017 @ 17:46
403 forbidden message Member 160, 5121 posts SQ 190, BP 137.5, DL 225 552.5 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Previously, 400kg deadlifts were seen as being amongst the best. Now, a lot more people seem to be hitting them. Hixxy is now at his strongest and he's been a big name for some years. 400kg raw squats seem much more frequent nowadays too. Everybody seems to be able to hit 200kg logs at top level, whereas 10 years ago, that was a world class lift that only 2 or 3 people could attain as opposed to a vast majority of competitors. Drugs are the same. Food is the same. Coaching seems to be self-done (how many WSM guys have a coach?) So, what's with everybody hitting 400kg deads and 200kg logs nowadays?

scruffmcbuff		...	23-03-2017 @ 17:54
Lovely ass Congrats. Member 5958, 2315 posts SQ 280, BP 170, DL 300 750.0 kgs @ 138kgs UnEq	A thought that has crossed my mind several times. I wouldnt agree that drugs are the same as they used to be. But i also dont believe they have changed enough to explain the vast jump in performance. IMO it is caused by the competition. Back in kazs day a 150 log (if my memory is right) would win the day so why train for a 200 log? Its been a progression of lifters pushing each other along year after year. Or i could be chatting rubbish!

matthewvc		...	23-03-2017 @ 18:01
‘downsizing’ Member 5704, 3347 posts SQ 280, BP 210, DL 320 810.0 kgs @ 96.3kgs UnEq	scruffmcbuff said:A thought that has crossed my mind several times. I wouldnt agree that drugs are the same as they used to be. But i also dont believe they have changed enough to explain the vast jump in performance. IMO it is caused by the competition. Back in kazs day a 150 log (if my memory is right) would win the day so why train for a 200 log? Its been a progression of lifters pushing each other along year after year. Or i could be chatting rubbish! strongman have got massive, no one was eddie or peak-z size back in kaz's day and they couldn't be as so many events were suited to a nimbler fitter athlete. also the sport is trained for far more seriously and in it's own right. not just an off season jamboree for a load of NFL linemen, powerlifters and bodybuilders.

Funky_monkey		...	23-03-2017 @ 18:07
403 forbidden message Member 160, 5121 posts SQ 190, BP 137.5, DL 225 552.5 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Would you say it's down to people like Hall quitting their day jobs to hit big lifts as their pure income, rather than win a few bob to supplement their income?

PaulSavage		...	23-03-2017 @ 18:53
Member 2775, 6927 posts	I would say its going more in the way of athletes getting coaches now but yeah hasn't been in the past. Think its a lot to do with belief, once someone does something you know it can be done and then the bar goes up.

aaron_lohan		...	23-03-2017 @ 20:42
Hasn't always been a bench press specialist Member 44, 1907 posts SQ 252.5, BP 220, DL 210 682.5 kgs @ 83kgs Eq	Strongmen are taller now and consequently heavier so they will lift more, also more people are doing it now so you would expect higher standards.

Rick		...	23-03-2017 @ 20:56
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10037 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235 595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator	It's also psychological. When nobody's done a lift, it seems impossible. When a couple have, more will soon follow.


ChrisMcCarthy		...	23-03-2017 @ 21:39
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	Post Edited: 23.03.2017 @ 21:40 PM by ChrisMcCarthy - Better Strength-In-Depth (pun fully intended) - Longer careers due to better healthcare, more opportunities etc... - Further refinement of training, diet, supps (of all kinds), etc... All inter-related to varying degrees, of course...when you hit a Critical Mass (pun, again, fully intended) it all starts to build upon itself.

thosebananas		...	24-03-2017 @ 00:17
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.03.2017 @ 00:18 AM by thosebananas I'd argue it's simply the cusp of professionalism and what comes with it. More refined training. Better nutrition knowledge. More people entering. More gyms. Better access to kit. Yadda yadda Imagine a rugby team now vs a rugby team pre professional?

Nimble		...	24-03-2017 @ 04:16
woefully weak Member 4748, 1513 posts SQ 157, BP 133, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq	99% explained by: 1. Wider genetic pool training these movements hard/competitively. Deadlift w/ straps should be considered a different movement. Log was basically untrained until a few years ago. WRs in powerlifting -- movements lots of people have done traditionally -- have only increased 8-15% in the last 40 years. 2. Straps in the deadlift. 3. Removal of nocebo by other people hitting huge numbers. (Like 4 minute mile). 4. More people competing in different weight classes/events, giving the impression that records are being broken every 5 minutes.

KevC86		...	24-03-2017 @ 08:19
Member 5141, 4382 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350 830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq	Why should deadlift with straps be considered a different movement?

MJG		...	24-03-2017 @ 08:38
Member 5560, 769 posts	I'd say a big part of it is the standisation of events. 20 years ago there was no point on putting too much focus on specific events as you had no idea what you were going to have to do in competition. Through the mid 90s new different events like power stairs, super yoke, tyre flip etc appeared that nobody had ever seen before. Nowadays you can pretty much concentrate on yoke, frame, stones, overhead throwing, pulling, powerlifting and overhead pressing and you'll be ok.

Nimble		...	24-03-2017 @ 08:58
woefully weak Member 4748, 1513 posts SQ 157, BP 133, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq	KevC86 said:Why should deadlift with straps be considered a different movement? I only meant in the sense of comparing records, like squat with wraps vs. sleeves.

BrenWad		...	24-03-2017 @ 11:24
Enough was enough. Banned. Member 6099, 775 posts SQ 300, BP 195, DL 310 805.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq	Kaz was as strong in squat, bench and powerlifting raw deadlift as anybody competing now.

LessThanLuke		...	24-03-2017 @ 12:31
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420 890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq	BrenWad said:Kaz was as strong in squat, bench and powerlifting raw deadlift as anybody competing now. Yup. I think people forget this.

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