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kyleIconWhat is 'strong'02-04-2014 @ 17:22 
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Random questions - Hypothetically lets say someone gains 20kg of pure fat, which helps him cut down range of motion on his benches and bounce off the hole in squats but has gained no muscle, said person puts 30kg on his powerlifting total, is he now a stronger person?
MrSmallIcon...02-04-2014 @ 17:28 
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Yes because he put 30kg on his total.

No because my god man, you put on 20kg to put 30kg on your total!
EllD90Icon...02-04-2014 @ 17:28 
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Yes. He can lift more weight...
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kyleIcon...02-04-2014 @ 17:38 
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EllD90 said:Yes. He can lift more weight...


But surely he's just able to manipulate laws of physics and leverage better to move a weight... its not that his muscles are contracting harder. So why is he stronger?

I mean I can spread my legs wider than the town slut in squat and I can squat more that way... but i didn't magically get stronger
kyleIcon...02-04-2014 @ 17:38 
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IainKendrickIcon...02-04-2014 @ 17:38 
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kyle said:Random questions - Hypothetically lets say someone gains 20kg of pure fat, which helps him cut down range of motion on his benches and bounce off the hole in squats but has gained no muscle, said person puts 30kg on his powerlifting total, is he now a stronger person?


Yes he is stronger.... as tested by powerlifting competition Happy
kyleIcon...02-04-2014 @ 17:44 
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IainKendrick said:
Yes he is stronger.... as tested by powerlifting competition Happy


really man? I mean powerlifitng competition total is hardly the be all and end all of someone's strength - I can mistime my warmups or choose a poor attempt and my total can vary by +/- 10% in the same day - its not like my strength vary that much
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kyle said:Random questions - Hypothetically lets say someone gains 20kg of pure fat, which helps him cut down range of motion on his benches and bounce off the hole in squats but has gained no muscle, said person puts 30kg on his powerlifting total, is he now a stronger person?


Yes.
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kyle said:
really man? I mean powerlifitng competition total is hardly the be all and end all of someone's strength - I can mistime my warmups or choose a poor attempt and my total can vary by +/- 10% in the same day - its not like my strength vary that much


I did not say it was the be all and end all. Merely that as tested by his powerlifting total he was stronger. If you tested his strength via max force production on an isokinetic dynameter he may not be stronger Wink
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kyle said:
really man? I mean powerlifitng competition total is hardly the be all and end all of someone's strength - I can mistime my warmups or choose a poor attempt and my total can vary by +/- 10% in the same day - its not like my strength vary that much


Then you were weaker that day....
kyleIcon...02-04-2014 @ 18:16 
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IainKendrick said:
I did not say it was the be all and end all. Merely that as tested by his powerlifting total he was stronger. If you tested his strength via max force production on an isokinetic dynameter he may not be stronger Wink


So surely an isokinetic dynameter is a much better judge of strength then any strength sport? So short fat man can't manipulate the rules by excess arching or intentionally gaining power bellies?
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kyle said:
really man? I mean powerlifitng competition total is hardly the be all and end all of someone's strength - I can mistime my warmups or choose a poor attempt and my total can vary by +/- 10% in the same day - its not like my strength vary that much


You're setting up a question like that which depends on the definition and the terms of the definition and then question someone who defines those terms and gives you an answer which is coherent with them....

It depends on what 'strong' means...Sure, even if he's a powerlifter he might not define strength based on his total in a competition, but then he might.

The question is, 'stronger' by whose standards, as obviously there can be no universal agreement within the terms of the question you are posing?

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