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slimsimIcon...07-02-2014 @ 12:26 
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HUGE_GUY said:
I missed this. Before WW3 starts here, i assumed he meant because weightlifting was more popular. So the fans (like him?) would prefer that the weightlifters were funded over powerlifters.
Never assume anything on the internet. Like how i thought Polasdasafski is a prick, i could very well be wrong. Hard to judge.


I doubt very much that's what he meant on the basis that he said he was thinking something very unPC. Most people would assume this to be something a bit close to the bone. From that I can only assume that he was talking about disabled athletes not being worth the funding. Col, as did I, just picked up on it immediately.
JCIcon...07-02-2014 @ 12:32 
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slimsim said:
I doubt very much that's what he meant on the basis that he said he was thinking something very unPC. Most people would assume this to be something a bit close to the bone. From that I can only assume that he was talking about disabled athletes not being worth the funding. Col, as did I, just picked up on it immediately.


From a perspective of creating a sporting spectacle, you cant argue that able bodied athletics is far more enjoyable to watch than paralympic sports?
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Gingy, thats a very hard one....

Can someone tell me if taking test/hgh/insulin etc can turn an ok lifter into a world class lifter? I'm trying to read into it, and it can create new muscle cells, then you can mature them to do whatever you want? Meaning whatever you train, you will increase ALOT! My brother lives in China. He's been to many gyms over the main cities since he's been there and said they are very weak people in general, and doesn't have a clue where these world class weightlifters come from.

Track and field? Chinese people are very short and wouldn't suit many events. There's a video of a young Chinese, maybe Jap, sprinter who was very short limbed, he was excellent from the blocks, but that was it. Short legs, long torso are terrible for track and field. Also tendon lengths have a lot to say. Having a quick look at some Chinese lifters, they have long calf muscles, meaning short achilles tendons. Doesn't matter how much you squat, clean etc if you don't have the right build for track.
slimsimIcon...07-02-2014 @ 12:41 
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JC said:
From a perspective of creating a sporting spectacle, you cant argue that able bodied athletics is far more enjoyable to watch than paralympic sports?


Give me one "good" reason why it is more enjoyable? Because it doesn't make people feel as uncomfortable maybe? Because people can't take athletes with dwarfism seriously? Because able bodied athletes don't run in a funny way?

Personally, I think see things like Richard Whitehead storm to victory in the 200m final just as much of a spectacle, if not moreso that Usain Bolt doing the same.

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Post Edited: 07.02.2014 @ 12:46 PM by HUGE_GUY
slimsim said:
I doubt very much that's what he meant on the basis that he said he was thinking something very unPC. Most people would assume this to be something a bit close to the bone. From that I can only assume that he was talking about disabled athletes not being worth the funding. Col, as did I, just picked up on it immediately.


He knew he would offend someone, which seems very easy to do. But let's just pretend everyone is super nice and give him the benefit of the doubt. I really thought it was purely because not many want to watch disabled sports, which is why it doesn't deserve funding over a sport that... ahem...a few people watch.

It's a c**tish thing to say. But i tried to get tickets to watch an athletics match in the 2012 stadium (2013 sainsburies games?). There was 2 days of athletics, then a paralympic day. Athletics tickets went within a few hours. Paralympics tickets were still very available months later.
JCIcon...07-02-2014 @ 12:49 
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Post Edited: 07.02.2014 @ 12:57 PM by JC
slimsim said:
Give me one "good" reason why it is more enjoyable? Because it doesn't make people feel as uncomfortable maybe? Because people can't take athletes with dwarfism seriously? Because able bodied athletes don't run in a funny way?


Are you serioulsy asking that question?

If I wanted to see people, for example, run the 400m in 70-75secs Id go down my local track

I dont...I want to see people run 9.xx secs 100m, 43 secs 400m etc

We watch track and field to view excellence...surely thats the point

Paralympians do show excellence yes given their obvious limitations, but its not as exciting (IMO) when the times aren't anywhere near as good

As for uncomfortable, I cant think of a reason why a disabled athlete would make me "uncomfortable"

Viewing figures for London 2012 and the Paralympic games would indicate that teh general public sees able bodied athletic as more of a spectatcle
slimsimIcon...07-02-2014 @ 12:59 
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JC said:
We watch track and field to view excellence.....
Paralympians do show excellence yes given their obvious limitations


Well make your mind up JC.

And yes, it was a serious question, albeit not directly aimed at you.

Irrespective of whether people admit it or not, and most don't for fear of being unPC, people with disabilities are looked upon in a completely different light than their able bodied counterparts.

For example, people still watch weight classes other than the superheavyweights in weightlifting, even though the supers lift the heaviest weights. What's the difference between that and watching someone run 100m more slowly than someone else due to a very specific and valid reason?
CuddlesIcon...07-02-2014 @ 14:28 
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JC said:
From a perspective of creating a sporting spectacle, you cant argue that able bodied athletics is far more enjoyable to watch than paralympic sports?


You could argue the same about women's elite sport vs men's. The general public clearly see female sport as less of a spectacle and vote with their feet/eyes. Does that mean women's sport is any less worthy of funding?
jtIcon...07-02-2014 @ 14:31 
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Cuddles said:
You could argue the same about women's elite sport vs men's. The general public clearly see female sport as less of a spectacle and vote with their feet/eyes. Does that mean women's sport is any less worthy of funding?


I would rather watch womens track and field anyday

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JC said:
Are you serioulsy asking that question?
If I wanted to see people, for example, run the 400m in 70-75secs Id go down my local track
I dont...I want to see people run 9.xx secs 100m, 43 secs 400m etc
We watch track and field to view excellence...surely thats the point
Paralympians do show excellence yes given their obvious limitations, but its not as exciting (IMO) when the times aren't anywhere near as good
As for uncomfortable, I cant think of a reason why a disabled athlete would make me "uncomfortable"
Viewing figures for London 2012 and the Paralympic games would indicate that teh general public sees able bodied athletic as more of a spectatcle


The Paralympic powerlifters are as good if not better than able bodied lifters! Does this make them more exciting to watch (if watching branch can ever be excitingHappy )?
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Cuddles said:
You could argue the same about women's elite sport vs men's. The general public clearly see female sport as less of a spectacle and vote with their feet/eyes. Does that mean women's sport is any less worthy of funding?


Could an argument be made for less funding in women's sport? If there are say 20 men at an elite level, but just 10 women, should you need to be higher ranked as a women to be funded?
JCIcon...07-02-2014 @ 15:13 
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Steve said:
The Paralympic powerlifters are as good if not better than able bodied lifters! Does this make them more exciting to watch (if watching branch can ever be excitingHappy )?


You answered your own question Grin
JCIcon...07-02-2014 @ 15:15 
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Cuddles said:
You could argue the same about women's elite sport vs men's. The general public clearly see female sport as less of a spectacle and vote with their feet/eyes. Does that mean women's sport is any less worthy of funding?


I dont think I said paralympics should have less funding

I was simply agreeing with the point I thought unit94 was trying to make...able bodied WL is more of a spectacle than paralympic sport

And yes in the main, womens sport is gash to watch when compared to mens. I have a huge problem with there being equality with the mens/womens Wimbledon winners prize money for a number of reasons
Ben_FIcon...07-02-2014 @ 16:03 
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slimsim said:
Give me one "good" reason why it is more enjoyable? Because it doesn't make people feel as uncomfortable maybe? Because people can't take athletes with dwarfism seriously? Because able bodied athletes don't run in a funny way?
Personally, I think see things like Richard Whitehead storm to victory in the 200m final just as much of a spectacle, if not moreso that Usain Bolt doing the same.


I enjoyed watching the Paralympics but for me the problem for the spectator is the varied disabilities on display in the same race or event. Sometimes it appears that an athlete has a clear disadvantage or advantage which reduces appeal as a competetive spectator event.
unit94Icon...07-02-2014 @ 16:20 
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You lot told me to say it!

JC has summed it up really, Diasbled sport is less entertaining and has a lower level of competition and standard so less people care about it than able bodied sport which is why I thought success in it might not be as important to Uk sport.

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