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ThingIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:32 
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Simeon said:Didn't Z say last year that it was probably gonna be his last WSM?? Maybe he doesn't have as much drive anymore, after all - what does he have to prove?


i can see your point but when ever you see him in a comp he looks determined maybe he has Pudz record in hi mind.
bryceIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:36 
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martinb said:I think Robocop is right, whether or not Bigz is as good as he used to be or not, the level of everyone is so much higher, people at the top just don't have weaknesses, and when things are so tight, fractions make all the difference


Got to agree, the sport is moving forwards to an endpoint where so little can make the difference, it almost becomes about not doing well but not making a mistake

Just look at the rowing results from the coxless four at sydney. The medals were covered by a second and a quarter.

1. Great Britain (J Cracknell, S Redgrave, T Foster, M Pinsent) 5:56.24
2. Italy (V Molea, R dei Rossi, L Carboncini, Carlo Mornati) 5:56.62
3. Australia (J Stewart, B Dodwell, G Stewart, B Hanson) 5:57.61
4. Slovenia (J Klemencic, M Jansa, R Kolander, M Prelog) 5:58.34
5. USA (M Wherley, E Mueller, J Koven, W Moser) 6:02.34
6. New Zealand (D Schaper, S Brownlee, T Dunlop, Rob Hellstrom) 6:09.13
PeteHodgsonIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:36 
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robocop said:
1998 first year at worlds then 2000 just missed out on final with an awesome heat between pudz, Phil phfister, Peter balters
2001 was the year he had double patellar rupture then came back after 7 months training to come second in malaysia
I don't think big Z is a little off form at all, he will shine today but the standard is just got to the point where 5 or 6 guys at the top level can do everything well. I bad foot placement in the yoke or a wobble in frame and boom lost 4 points.
Lalas was all dominant in his group but just can't kern up with the best guys here, the standard has improved in the sport close to unmeasurable since the re formation of wsm and you have the best guys without doubt going head to head


I tend to agree, the top guys seem to be getting better, so mistakes can make a big difference. Can't see bigZ not 'wanting it' enough. If he's going to retire I'm sure he'd rather do it on a high.
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Dont rule anything out yet. See last year and Shaw's dropped sandbag that would have made the difference and seen him take the title.

This year it could be a broken strap on a deadlift, a slip on the stones (settled a couple of finals now) a wobble on the log, an injury.

As has been said, things are so colse between the top few that a little mistake, or bit of bad luck can cost everything.

Must be very tense for the guys competing, but its great for us watching Happy
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anyone know when it kicks off today?
MrSmallIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:45 
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bryce said:
Got to agree, the sport is moving forwards to an endpoint where so little can make the difference, it almost becomes about not doing well but not making a mistake
Just look at the rowing results from the coxless four at sydney. The medals were covered by a second and a quarter.
1. Great Britain (J Cracknell, S Redgrave, T Foster, M Pinsent) 5:56.24
2. Italy (V Molea, R dei Rossi, L Carboncini, Carlo Mornati) 5:56.62
3. Australia (J Stewart, B Dodwell, G Stewart, B Hanson) 5:57.61
4. Slovenia (J Klemencic, M Jansa, R Kolander, M Prelog) 5:58.34
5. USA (M Wherley, E Mueller, J Koven, W Moser) 6:02.34
6. New Zealand (D Schaper, S Brownlee, T Dunlop, Rob Hellstrom) 6:09.13


That's insane, then again weightlifting 75% of the time is decided on 1-2kg or bodyweight. Sydney had 3 guys with same lifts on the podium.
What distance is that over?
robocopIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:46 
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Strongman used to have event "bankers" sevend would always win yoke, big Z was unbeatable in press , pudz on conans wheel and shield.
But now everyone at the top can do it all, that's what makes the sport so exciting, I would have never bet against Terry in a pull his record last 3 years has been invincible, then boom Thor guy and other beat him, crazy but exciting

What ever we say though today is got to be one of the most exciting in strongman history, what must be going through these guys heads? Terry will want to win the deadlift, loz will be keeping quiet knowing that he fears no one, big Z will be feeling the crown slipping and hoping for some luck, shaw will want this more than anyone after he threw it away last year and jenkins no doubt will be thinking he can be first guy to take title on debut since aloha in 97
martinbIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:49 
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MrSmall said:
That's insane, then again weightlifting 75% of the time is decided on 1-2kg or bodyweight. Sydney had 3 guys with same lifts on the podium.
What distance is that over?


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Big_GrayIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:50 
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Post Edited: 22.09.2011 @ 11:50 AM by Big_Gray
robocop said:Strongman used to have event "bankers" sevend would always win yoke, big Z was unbeatable in press , pudz on conans wheel and shield.
But now everyone at the top can do it all, that's what makes the sport so exciting, I would have never bet against Terry in a pull his record last 3 years has been invincible, then boom Thor guy and other beat him, crazy but exciting

What ever we say though today is got to be one of the most exciting in strongman history, what must be going through these guys heads? Terry will want to win the deadlift, loz will be keeping quiet knowing that he fears no one, big Z will be feeling the crown slipping and hoping for some luck, shaw will want this more than anyone after he threw it away last year and jenkins no doubt will be thinking he can be first guy to take title on debut since aloha in 97


absolutely spot on mate, couldnt sum it up better. a spectators dream
MrSmallIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:51 
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robocop said:Strongman used to have event "bankers" sevend would always win yoke, big Z was unbeatable in press , pudz on conans wheel and shield.
But now everyone at the top can do it all, that's what makes the sport so exciting, I would have never bet against Terry in a pull his record last 3 years has been invincible, then boom Thor guy and other beat him, crazy but exciting

What ever we say though today is got to be one of the most exciting in strongman history, what must be going through these guys heads? Terry will want to win the deadlift, loz will be keeping quiet knowing that he fears no one, big Z will be feeling the crown slipping and hoping for some luck, shaw will want this more than anyone after he threw it away last year and jenkins no doubt will be thinking he can be first guy to take title on debut since aloha in 97


tbh though mate, I don't think anyone would beat Pudz on carries or Z on press or felix on deadlift etc. I never really knew Terry was SUCH a great truck puller, of that same standard if you know what I mean.
Loz is a fantastic puller, didn't he do something like 420-430 a month or two ago like a peanut?
And I don't think Shaw threw it away last year, he rushed and made a mistake and paid for it. The people that don't, win. See Pudz vs Derek 2008 final!
I don't think big z has anything left to prove, but would love to see him podium, and think with these events he can.
What is Shaw's best pull from floor and log?
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robocop said:
1998 first year at worlds then 2000 just missed out on final with an awesome heat between pudz, Phil phfister, Peter balters
2001 was the year he had double patellar rupture then came back after 7 months training to come second in malaysia
I don't think big Z is a little off form at all, he will shine today but the standard is just got to the point where 5 or 6 guys at the top level can do everything well. I bad foot placement in the yoke or a wobble in frame and boom lost 4 points.
Lalas was all dominant in his group but just can't kern up with the best guys here, the standard has improved in the sport close to unmeasurable since the re formation of wsm and you have the best guys without doubt going head to head


what he said!!! The level this year is insaine!!!!
martinbIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:53 
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MrSmall said:
What is Shaw's best pull from floor and log?


440 at the london thing I think, and I seem to remember him doing 190 easy enough
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MrSmall said:
That's insane, then again weightlifting 75% of the time is decided on 1-2kg or bodyweight. Sydney had 3 guys with same lifts on the podium.
What distance is that over?


2km, the standard distance. I think the best was athens, it came down to the position within the stroke (the brits had just released the oar and thats when the boat moves the fastest) - beat them by 0.08 seconds:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40576000/jpg/_40576819_2004...
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Joni said:
didnt he have some operations done earlier the summer?


Yes, he had the operation.
robocopIcon...22-09-2011 @ 11:59 
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MrSmall said:
tbh though mate, I don't think anyone would beat Pudz on carries or Z on press or felix on deadlift etc. I never really knew Terry was SUCH a great truck puller, of that same standard if you know what I mean.
Loz is a fantastic puller, didn't he do something like 420-430 a month or two ago like a peanut?
And I don't think Shaw threw it away last year, he rushed and made a mistake and paid for it. The people that don't, win. See Pudz vs Derek 2008 final!
I don't think big z has anything left to prove, but would love to see him podium, and think with these events he can.
What is Shaw's best pull from floor and log?


He has been pretty much invincible mate, every truck pull, scl he beat second place big Z by 11 sec in Ireland, loz got 430k in giants live with shaw to hold equal strongman world record, Terry has done 440 pretty easy in training, big Z also has videos with 430k pulled

When you take your hand off a sack and it falls back in the water costing you 2 places Thats pretty much throwing title away I don't really see a more appropriate definition of the term tbh
I think big Z wants to join the elite number of guys that have won title 3 times, Jon pall, MVM, kaz and pudz

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