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terryhollandsIcon...30-12-2011 @ 10:47 
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Gra_Bul said:
That's the thing with head to head events and different refs for each bloke, imo it's not the lads fault they just want to get the reps out as quick as possible and the ref calls it when it's a soft lockout, shame for it to happen at wsm be pissed off if it was the difference between qualifying and not, but that's strongman ain't it!


it's never the athletes fault! if the ref says down you're not gonna keep lifting!
EagleIcon...30-12-2011 @ 10:54 
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Hi Terry, Laurence,

Out of interest, would you mind letting me know what tests they used to determine the grip, flexibility, force etc scores?


Thanks
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Gra_BulIcon...30-12-2011 @ 10:55 
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terryhollands said:
it's never the athletes fault! if the ref says down you're not gonna keep lifting!


I agree, could see that Martin was a bit bemused when he got down commands he must have thought it wasnt locked as he was questioning one of his reps when he took a rest.

On another not what's your opinion on head to head car lifts? As I don't think they can say the cars weigh exactly the same unless they have them on a weigh bridge before the event? Even if it's 10kg difference over 10 reps it stacks up
terryhollandsIcon...30-12-2011 @ 10:56 
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Gra_Bul said:
I agree, could see that Martin was a bit bemused when he got down commands he must have thought it wasnt locked as he was questioning one of his reps when he took a rest.
On another not what's your opinion on head to head car lifts? As I don't think they can say the cars weigh exactly the same unless they have them on a weigh bridge before the event? Even if it's 10kg difference over 10 reps it stacks up


i saw them weighed, one was 3kg heavier than the other. I am not sure it's a good idea!
terryhollandsIcon...30-12-2011 @ 10:58 
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Eagle said:Hi Terry, Laurence,

Out of interest, would you mind letting me know what tests they used to determine the grip, flexibility, force etc scores?


Thanks
Dan

sit and reach, a grip thing (can't remember what it is called, standing vertical, speed was running between cones etc we did a reaction test too

was a little s**t on the vertical jump (force) as surely I create more force than a 145kg man if he has only jumped 5cm higher than me?
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...30-12-2011 @ 11:07 
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terryhollands said:
i saw them weighed, one was 3kg heavier than the other.


They left it like that??
terryhollandsIcon...30-12-2011 @ 11:14 
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Wayne_Cowdrey said:
They left it like that??


yep! but saying that I was on the heavier car but it was the same car as felix used and he got the most reps of everybody so no excuses
Gra_BulIcon...30-12-2011 @ 11:29 
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terryhollands said:
i saw them weighed, one was 3kg heavier than the other. I am not sure it's a good idea!


That's good to know suppose modern cars will be a lot more closer on weight than old ones, I'm not a fan of using different vehicles tbh and head to heads, from spectator point of view it's good though.

From the athletes point of view is there one event that they are in agreement that they enjoy the least by way of equipment set up or weight selection, we had a conversation in the gym the other day and were working out the weight difference on barrel squat if they happen to drop more towards the back of the basket or the front, is that something that ever gets a thought by you lads or are we being ok picky lol?
martinbIcon...30-12-2011 @ 11:39 
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Gra_Bul said:
From the athletes point of view is there one event that they are in agreement that they enjoy the least by way of equipment set up or weight selection, we had a conversation in the gym the other day and were working out the weight difference on barrel squat if they happen to drop more towards the back of the basket or the front, is that something that ever gets a thought by you lads or are we being ok picky lol?


Things like that must make a big difference, plus I remember a comp where Ahola was doing the barrel loading, and for some guys he threw the barrels in, and others he let them slowly drop from the equipment
johnHortonIcon...30-12-2011 @ 11:44 
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there were certainly alot of issues in Terry's heat, but doesn't it just show his class and professionalism when he can still make through to the final with some style and thats where he shows his true abilities. well done Terry; and I thought the car walk was super human ! what speed with such a big weight !
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...30-12-2011 @ 12:11 
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A 3 kilo difference could make a 1 rep difference to someone's total. It would have been a simple matter to equalise them. A correctly positioned plate would have sorted it.

The organisation does at times appear a little amateurish.
slimsimIcon...30-12-2011 @ 12:49 
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terryhollands said:
was a little s**t on the vertical jump (force) as surely I create more force than a 145kg man if he has only jumped 5cm higher than me?


Exactly! Colin Bryce was looking at the stats of one of the guys and said he had tremendous force, "which means he has very strong legs". Knowing it was a vertical jump test which was used, I was like...err, like bo***cks it does.

It would have been REALLY useful if some bodyweight factor could have been used to compare stats and some more meaning tests were done. Hearing Dickenson and Bryce mention about lack of flexibility on the barrel toss last night was ridiculous. It's not a bloody snatch!
FlynnoIcon...30-12-2011 @ 13:02 
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Was it my hearing or did the commentator say "oxymorons" last night on the keg toss????
What's the hell does that mean???
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...30-12-2011 @ 13:16 
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I actually think flexibilty is a factor on keg toss. It could give you a bigger range. Power and technique are much bigger factors though.
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...30-12-2011 @ 13:23 
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Flynno said:
Was it my hearing or did the commentator say "oxymorons" last night on the keg toss????
What's the hell does that mean???


Didn't you pay attention in English lessons? Grin

An example of an oxymoron is "the evil angel".

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