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PeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 08:08 
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Post Edited: 20.11.2013 @ 08:09 AM by Pete
Fatpete said:
One of my pet hates appears in that article, they state that powerlifting is a world full of acronyms and then list a string of abbreviations, none of which are acronyms.


I also find it irritating when 'acronym' is used instead of 'abbreviation'.
FatpeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 08:15 
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macroth said:
You would find yourself in disagreement with the Oxford English Dictionary on the subject.


But not with Chambers
PeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 08:16 
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macroth said:
You would find yourself in disagreement with the Oxford English Dictionary on the subject.


Really?
FatpeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 08:18 
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I said:
But not with Chambers


Nor

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym
PeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 08:20 
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Fatpete said:
Nor
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym


I am confident that most sources/dictionaries would support the distinction that you make between the two terms, Fatpete.
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Pete said:
I also find it irritating when 'acronym' is used instead of 'abbreviation'.


It's not used instead of abbreviation. If you're being picky, it's used instead of initialism. Initialisms and acronyms are both abbreviations.
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Pete said:
macroth said:
You would find yourself in disagreement with the Oxford English Dictionary on the subject.


Really?


http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/1844?rskey=1BN8vL&result=1#e...
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Fatpete said:
Nor
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acronym


Did you even read that?

"also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism"
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macroth said:
Did you even read that?
"also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism"


Yes - a WORD formed from initial letters

Initialism is an ABBREVIATION formed from initial letters

That seems pretty clear to me. Of course once enough people get it wrong it ceases to become wrong. We must be getting close to that now. But just because the dictionaries surrender doesn't mean I have to.
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Post Edited: 20.11.2013 @ 08:35 AM by Pete
macroth said:
Did you even read that?
"also : an abbreviation (as FBI) formed from initial letters : initialism"


I, like Fatpete, became 'carried away' due to realising that the article didn't use 'acronyms'. Well, I do enjoy learning about items that allow for further pedantism.

Thanks for the definitions, macroth.

I think that I'll use Google before jumping in next time.
Embarassed

Edit: I've changed the first letter of your name to a lower case 'm'. Wink
PeteIcon...20-11-2013 @ 09:17 
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Interestingly, the Oxford English Dictionary use some 'initialisms' when providing examples of the most commonly used *abbreviations* in their dictionary.

http://public.oed.com/how-to-use-the-oed/abbreviations/#a
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Fatpete said:
Yes - a WORD formed from initial letters
Initialism is an ABBREVIATION formed from initial letters
That seems pretty clear to me. Of course once enough people get it wrong it ceases to become wrong. We must be getting close to that now. But just because the dictionaries surrender doesn't mean I have to.


My point was that Merriam accepts both concepts as a definition of acronym ("also"), contrary to your claim. It also seems to me that the confusion between acronyms and initialisms is actually quite old, not some sort of sign of modern decadence. IOW, IMHO, not worthy of any degree of hate. After all, YOLO.
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And do my eyes deceive me, or is there rubber and metal on the same bar in that picture??

I wish they did, but I fear they do not. I will await the official reason before passing judgement, but I fear I will have to wait a long time for that. I would hope that the obvious and most common reason does not apply.

Which is...?
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polkovnikostin said:
Which is...?


Surely the obvious reason is "these are the calibrated plates we have".

Why that would bother Fatpete I am not sure.


From the IPF Technical Rule Book (yes I know it wasn't an IPF event)

(b) Discs shall conform as follows :

1. All discs used in competition must weigh within 0.25 percent or 10 grams of their face value.
Face Value in Kilos Maximum Minimum
25.0 25.0625 24.9375
20.0 20.05 19.95
15.0 15.0375 14.9625
10.0 10.025 9.975
5.0 5.0125 4.9875
2.5 2.51 2.49
1.25 1.26 1.24
.5 .51 .49
.25 .26 .24

2. The hole size in the middle of the disc must not exceed 53 mm or be less than 52 mm.
3. Discs must be within the following range: 1.25 kg, 2.5 kg, 5 kg, 10 kg, 15 kg, 20 kg, and 25 kg.
4. For record purposes, lighter discs may be used to achieve a weight of at least 0.5 kg more than the
existing record.
5. Discs weighing 20 kg and over must not exceed 6 cm in thickness. Discs weighing 15 kg and
under must not exceed 3 cm in thickness. Rubber discs do not have to conform to the stated
thickness.
6. Discs must conform to the following colour code : 10kg and under - any colour, 15kg - yellow,
20kg - blue, 25kg – red.
7. All discs must be clearly marked with their weight and loaded in the sequence of heavier discs
innermost with the smaller discs in descending weight arranged so that the referees can read the
weight on each disc.
8. The first and heaviest discs loaded on the bar must be loaded face in; with the rest of the discs
loaded face out.
9. The diameter of the largest discs shall not be more than 45 cm.
10. Rubber or rubber covered discs are acceptable provided there is a minimum of 10 cm from the
outside of the collars to the end of the bar, for spotter grip outside of the discs.




What's the problem with rubber plates, Pete?

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