Training split advise, where to stop

beza said:I'm by no means experienced but I'd personally say there's plenty of assistance in there, wouldn't need to do tricep work twice a week (I rarely do any these days just improves with compound exercises),
Unless you want to keep an amount of bodybuilding style training in there that is.
And again me personally find it hard to do events the day after squatting an likewise deadlift the day or two after events. I like to try and space them apart a bit more if possible.
Like I said this is just my limited opinion

AMH_Power said:Thanks for giving my squat training method a go mate...

Don't know what to expect with hybrid strongman stuff, but don't forget you can merge a squat and a bench day, or overhead and deadlift day...

This will obviously create a spare rest day you can use prior to your events day to ensure you are fresh, as I can only imagine they are quite a toll on the lower back.

Cheers

HeavySingle said:
Thanks I'm really glad you posted in here actually. I would happily merge 2 of the days, but as it is of now my sessions last quite a while. If you don't mind me asking what sort of assistance work do you for the big 3?
Thanks again, I've been following your log with interest

John said:So we have a few strongman future competitors at our gym, plus the gym is owned by past strongman and they do similer to what you are a good solid strength gaining program then some actual events every so often like reping atlas stones,moving with weight is something they do a lot like yoke,farmers walk ,chain drag,and loading medleys are a welcome break from deads squats and bench good luck when and were are you planing on competing?

AMH_Power said:
I don't do any assistance work mate...
But, if I explain why/when to or not to do assistance (in my opinion!), it might help you design a more optimal regime for you.
Lets take bench press as an example....
3 scenarios.....
1. The bar fails to leave the chest:
Either it's too heavy by a mile, or there is a weakness in the chest.
Providing it isn't the former, then you could do two things; either isolate the muscle (better for off season/away from comps) or do a variant of the lift to emphasize this muscle (wide grip bench); better closer to comps as the carry over will be greater.
2. The lift looks decent, but you can't quite lock it out at the top:
Either the triceps are lacking, or you have practiced too long with a lighter weight (with lighter weights the bar gains speed so the force required to move the bar in motion is less, aka 'flywheel effect'.
So same story, off season; isolate the tri's... coming to comp variant of the bench; ie close grip. If it's from the zero acceleration curve/flywheel effect then maybe use some bands or chains.
Right, the next scenario is key to not wasting 1) your time, 2) effort, and more importantly 3) f**king up your recovery:
3. The bench gets half way then fails:
Do not do accessory work. Why???
Because this is where the moment/torque is at it's greatest as it is where the lever arm is the furthest away from the pivot when viewed from the lifting plane.
Basically, given everything is equal, this is where the lift should fail. So why waste time doing accessory work if everything is failing in harmony? If there is tonnes of energy to burn, do some more of the same.
I won't bore the s**t out of you with failing points/sticking points, but you can google the sticking points and then decide if them muscles need work.
Even then, mugging absolutely everything I said there off, if something is lacking a little bit I still wouldn't do accessory work, as this muscle will have to work a bit harder than the rest and so will incur the most adaptation. It's only when the other muscles aren't achieving anything as the other is so weak does it need addressing.
Follow my log mate, it's new mind, but you'll see exactly what my sessions consist of, not too dissimilar from Malanichev.

HeavySingle said:
Thanks for reply. No idea mate, ill compete when I'm strong enough I guess

beza said:I'm in a comp next week mate and I'll be wiped the floor with. But it'll be fun!!
Just to butt in, I personally do sldl's after squat and fronties after deads