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Tom_MartinIcon...04-07-2014 @ 23:19 
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Squats - high bar long pause

Up to 220kg x 1


Squats - low bar

Up to 165kg x 5

These felt s**t and hard tonight, legs were f**ked before I even started though. Took a slightly wider stance and opened my knees up more and it just feels really weak compared with narrower and knees forwards. I'm aware it SHOULD be stronger though so we'll see what happens....


superyokeIcon...05-07-2014 @ 01:06 
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Post Edited: 05.07.2014 @ 01:08 AM by superyoke
Do these paused squats really help?
especially as come a competition you cut your depth, thus don't come close to reaching such depth and positioning?
n3ver3nderIcon...05-07-2014 @ 07:16 
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Tom_Martin said:
These felt s**t and hard tonight, legs were f**ked before I even started though. Took a slightly wider stance and opened my knees up more and it just feels really weak compared with narrower and knees forwards. I'm aware it SHOULD be stronger though so we'll see what happens....


Maybe table tennis doesn't have the same carryover that fishing does, have you considered that?
VanillaGorillaIcon...05-07-2014 @ 07:41 
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n3ver3nder said:
Maybe table tennis doesn't have the same carryover that fishing does, have you considered that?


Tell that to Loz!
SimeonIcon...05-07-2014 @ 08:57 
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was that a table tennis pb tom?
Tom_MartinIcon...05-07-2014 @ 09:48 
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superyoke said:Do these paused squats really help?
especially as come a competition you cut your depth, thus don't come close to reaching such depth and positioning?


You don't believe in strengthening a larger range of motion and improving mobility?

How do you feel about front squats, deficit deads, SLDL, CGBP..?
superyokeIcon...05-07-2014 @ 10:42 
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Tom_Martin said:
You don't believe in strengthening a larger range of motion and improving mobility?
How do you feel about front squats, deficit deads, SLDL, CGBP..?


personally, no i don't. I just cant see the carryover. After all isn't everything you do ultimately selected, designed and implemented for competition in mind?

front squats - I don't see the need for it, if ones goal is a big competition back squat.
deficit deads - similar to paused squats, no. It creates a completely different lift working a range of motion that wont exist on the platform.
sldl - for someone who is a round back deadlifter,and who's hips come quite high early in the deadlift, I can see the logic in the inclusion of this movement.
cgbp - no. It requires a wholly different set up and works a different set of muscle groups. Remember I'm talking from your perspective (a competitive powerlifter), for me personally i would include this in my programming, because of the carryover to overhead pressing.
MrSmallIcon...05-07-2014 @ 10:44 
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Yeah Tom what's wrong with you.
ChrisMcCarthyIcon...05-07-2014 @ 11:10 
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You are clearly not the most focused and dedicated person in the world Tom. Roll-Eyes
Tom_MartinIcon...05-07-2014 @ 11:11 
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superyoke said:
personally, no i don't. I just cant see the carryover. After all isn't everything you do ultimately selected, designed and implemented for competition in mind?
front squats - I don't see the need for it, if ones goal is a big competition back squat.
deficit deads - similar to paused squats, no. It creates a completely different lift working a range of motion that wont exist on the platform.
sldl - for someone who is a round back deadlifter,and who's hips come quite high early in the deadlift, I can see the logic in the inclusion of this movement.
cgbp - no. It requires a wholly different set up and works a different set of muscle groups. Remember I'm talking from your perspective (a competitive powerlifter), for me personally i would include this in my programming, because of the carryover to overhead pressing.


Then I'm not quite sure you understand my perspective, or have made any effort to. My goals are a little more rounded than competetive powerlifting.
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Post Edited: 05.07.2014 @ 11:20 AM by LessThanLuke
Tom_Martin said:
Then I'm not quite sure you understand my perspective, or have made any effort to. My goals are a little more rounded than competetive powerlifting.


This. Plus the fact he is very wrong. Anyone who thinks deficit dls will not carry over to regular dls should really stop posting about lifting.
superyokeIcon...05-07-2014 @ 11:23 
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Tom_Martin said:
Then I'm not quite sure you understand my perspective, or have made any effort to. My goals are a little more rounded than competetive powerlifting.


well, in that case i apologise. I can assure you my assumption of your goals were not derived through a lack of effort.
Tom_MartinIcon...05-07-2014 @ 11:32 
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superyoke said:
well, in that case i apologise. I can assure you my assumption of your goals were not derived through a lack of effort.


Cool Happy I'm currently at work, but it's a little less busy now so I am feeling more inclined to discuss it further.

My squat is still undergoing a general "fixing". I have strength imbalances and less than ideal leverages. As such, in order to stay upright (which is my goal, despite being stronger otherwise), I need to develop some quad strength so I can keep my hips under the bar, and some strength in the thoracic extensors so that when I inevitably don't keep my hips under the bar, I can deal with it better..

Paused squats help me with both, the deficit strict form deads help me with the thoracic extensors, front squats help me with both.

Aside from that, I'd really like to do a 200kg clean this year. No benefit to powerlifting really, but all the above I mentioned will help with this too.


CGBP is often useful to me due to having glass pecs.

And regarding competetive powerlifting squats, my form is improving on these comp to comp. The 255 I did at the worlds was really quite nice, I think the above mentioned work is helping me correct some issues I've had a lot worse in previous comps (squats at the British were disgusting in comparison), and still have to a smaller extent.
Tom_MartinIcon...05-07-2014 @ 11:36 
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And currently, my main goal at the moment is a 260kg full range of motion back squat, getting real used to that bottom position with paused squats just seems obviously beneficial.
n3ver3nderIcon...05-07-2014 @ 12:58 
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Tom_Martin said:
and some strength in the thoracic extensors


Do you do any direct upper back work, Tom?

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