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BigMacca | Thor Pulling 480kg for Arnold Prep | 15-02-2020 @ 18:19 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9947 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | Wowsers! Skip to 8:45 for the pull | ||
dannyboy73 | ... | 15-02-2020 @ 21:26 | |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8167 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | hell that was easy | ||
AdamT | ... | 16-02-2020 @ 11:17 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | He can and WILL pull over 500 Thor is awesome | ||
93hopkinsonr | ... | 16-02-2020 @ 13:15 | |
Mr.Potato deadlift Member 2675, 4766 posts SQ 300, BP 202.5, DL 300802.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | I keep saying it, he will be the strongest man of all time | ||
DeanW92 | ... | 16-02-2020 @ 21:07 | |
Member 4496, 1446 posts SQ 240, BP 200, DL 300740.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | He needs to put an end to all the mongs who keep posting on all deadlift videos about eddie, doing my head in! But where would he get the chance to do it on a texas bar in a suit? Maybe WUS dubai? | ||
Mikeneto | ... | 16-02-2020 @ 23:12 | |
End of an era. Member 4646, 1964 posts | He should just do 510kg at WUS and then finish the comp | ||
The_Lone_Wolf | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 09:58 | |
I eat a lot of meat Member 5124, 3003 posts SQ 245, BP 130, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Until he goes over 500kg on a calibrated deadlift bar and plates, he will get people digging him out. Superb lift regardless of the setup though. He’s certainly a very strong mong. | ||
AdamT | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 10:12 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | The_Lone_Wolf said:Until he goes over 500kg on a calibrated deadlift bar and plates, he will get people digging him out. Superb lift regardless of the setup though. He’s certainly a very strong mong. Is it a MUCH easier set up though? When you look at other lifters who have used the elephant bar, there numbers are not much different I think using a suit on a whippy deadlift bar would be just as easy? Maybe not? I have no doubt that Thor will pull over 500 on a similar bar to Eddie and he will continue on with the comp after it Thor is a mong and his body can handle these heavy weights | ||
WILLSAN | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 10:29 | |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | AdamT said: Is it a MUCH easier set up though? When you look at other lifters who have used the elephant bar, there numbers are not much different I think using a suit on a whippy deadlift bar would be just as easy? Maybe not? I have no doubt that Thor will pull over 500 on a similar bar to Eddie and he will continue on with the comp after it Thor is a mong and his body can handle these heavy weights your questions make the point. the standard has been set on a different set up than this. if 520 gets pulled there will still be questions. the record wont be broken until its done in the same conditions. whether we have records or not in sm is a question. if we do though there need to be agreed standards or them to count. | ||
BigMacca | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 12:07 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9947 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | WILLSAN said: your questions make the point. the standard has been set on a different set up than this. if 520 gets pulled there will still be questions. the record wont be broken until its done in the same conditions. whether we have records or not in sm is a question. if we do though there need to be agreed standards or them to count. A lot of controversy caused by a training lift (replicating the setup of the lift in an upcoming competition no less) it would seem... It does seem a bit odd how we are now getting so precious about how records are set, when in the past people just accepted them. Good examples would be just about every time Big Z set a log record, it was on a different log and anyone who's ever pressed different logs knows that log diameter, length and unladen weight all make a difference in how easy the log is to press. Also, Bennies 460kg pull was done on uncalibrated plates that were not weighed afterwards yet most seem happy to credit this as the biggest powerlifting deadlift ever... People seem to be stuck on, yeah well, 480kg is all well and good, but do it on a proper bar! (I have seen lots of references to a 'Stiff Bar' like Eddie used). From what I've seen, I'm far from convinced that the elephant bar setup actually has any more flex that a texas deadlift bar (you know, the bar specially designed to have more flex to make it easier to deadlift on). Here's a comparison pic of Thor attempting 501kg on the Elephant Bar last year and Ivan attempting it on the Texas Deadlift bar https://i.ibb.co/PFBzn2C/501kg-deadlift.jpg I'd actually give the nod to the Texas bar having more flex, to be honest. I think the reason the Elephant bar is a different lift, is simply due to weights being so far out from the centre meaning that they want to make the ends of the bar oscillate more. Hence why lifters with classic good deadlift form (breaking the bar from the floor with hips and chest rising at the same rate), such as Thor don't struggle as much with it as they are in a great position to smoothly lock the weight out. Compared to lifters who let their hips shoot up as the bar breaks the floor (Eddie) who then have to reply on compromised mechanics to lock the bar out, usually very slowly at max weights and with some form of hitch. Do this with a super lively bar and you are in for a bad time - Eddies 465kg on the Elephant bar shows this nicely. I'm just enjoying watching Thor continue to prgress | ||
luki | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 12:18 | |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Amazingly smoth looking pull. With Arnolds being USA based the record should be Lbs. Visually 1111pounds maybe? | ||
KevC86 | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 17:14 | |
Member 5141, 4415 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | AdamT said: Is it a MUCH easier set up though? It isn't easier at all. Privately even Ed will admit that. No one who has pulled serious weights on both (other than Ed) has ever suggested the elephant bar is easier and Ed is clearly not an unbiased source on this. | ||
WILLSAN | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 17:24 | |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | BigMacca said: A lot of controversy caused by a training lift (replicating the setup of the lift in an upcoming competition no less) it would seem... It does seem a bit odd how we are now getting so precious about how records are set, when in the past people just accepted them. Good examples would be just about every time Big Z set a log record, it was on a different log and anyone who's ever pressed different logs knows that log diameter, length and unladen weight all make a difference in how easy the log is to press. Also, Bennies 460kg pull was done on uncalibrated plates that were not weighed afterwards yet most seem happy to credit this as the biggest powerlifting deadlift ever... People seem to be stuck on, yeah well, 480kg is all well and good, but do it on a proper bar! (I have seen lots of references to a 'Stiff Bar' like Eddie used). From what I've seen, I'm far from convinced that the elephant bar setup actually has any more flex that a texas deadlift bar (you know, the bar specially designed to have more flex to make it easier to deadlift on). Here's a comparison pic of Thor attempting 501kg on the Elephant Bar last year and Ivan attempting it on the Texas Deadlift bar https://i.ibb.co/PFBzn2C/501kg-deadlift.jpg I'd actually give the nod to the Texas bar having more flex, to be honest. I think the reason the Elephant bar is a different lift, is simply due to weights being so far out from the centre meaning that they want to make the ends of the bar oscillate more. Hence why lifters with classic good deadlift form (breaking the bar from the floor with hips and chest rising at the same rate), such as Thor don't struggle as much with it as they are in a great position to smoothly lock the weight out. Compared to lifters who let their hips shoot up as the bar breaks the floor (Eddie) who then have to reply on compromised mechanics to lock the bar out, usually very slowly at max weights and with some form of hitch. Do this with a super lively bar and you are in for a bad time - Eddies 465kg on the Elephant bar shows this nicely. I'm just enjoying watching Thor continue to prgress this is what I mean. you shouldnt need to reason it out. it should either be a record or not so we can just agree on the brilliance of the lift rather than all the woulda, coulda, shoulda. my reading of the situation is that this is based on a power struggle between promotions. arnolds are trying to gain control of the 'standard' by using their own special bar. they want the record set there at their comp, on their bar and all further records set there too. I think when they designed the bar their aim was to make it easier to enable that although, as you say, it may not actually be in practise. this makes me want to side with giants as they use standard kit which is available to anyone. although the controversy is good for clicks and the 'show' side of sm I think its to the detriment of the 'sport' side of it. a short term benefit that harms the sport long term. id much rather see a direct competition for the record with the same kit between the dl champs and arnolds. that would generate more positive coverage and may even boost potential prize money for the athletes if you got into a bidding war for athletes who could potentially break the record. | ||
AdamT | ... | 17-02-2020 @ 20:12 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | KevC86 said: It isn't easier at all. Privately even Ed will admit that. No one who has pulled serious weights on both (other than Ed) has ever suggested the elephant bar is easier and Ed is clearly not an unbiased source on this. This was my thinking Jerry Pritchett has lifted more on a Texas bar I know Shaw has lifted just 4kg less on the big globe bar at wsm | ||
Mikeneto | ... | 18-02-2020 @ 09:28 | |
End of an era. Member 4646, 1964 posts | Heinla says the elephant bar is harder...they all do. | ||