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Dan		This is probably a very silly question, and does not involve anything smelling of Fish...	19-10-2008 @ 14:50
Dan is old fashioned. Member 27, 2028 posts SQ 240, BP 170, DL 255 665.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq	How come some people are very strong but don't have large muscles ? And how come some people who do have large muscles are not strong at all ? P.S. There is NOT a prize.

Thing		...	19-10-2008 @ 15:07
a large fingered spastic that demolishes plant Member 89, 31706 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 290 770.0 kgs @ 142kgs UnEq	i think it has something ti do with the fast twitch and slow twitch fibers andhow thre are arranged n the boddy.

just_t		...	19-10-2008 @ 15:22
Mr.Fit Member 164, 5028 posts SQ 170, BP 135, DL 230 535.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	efficiency.

chicken_legs		...	19-10-2008 @ 16:10
Dont eat my leg! Member 325, 189 posts SQ 145, BP 117.5, DL 190 452.5 kgs @ 87.5kgs UnEq	Lots of factors like fibre type distribution, short term energy system efficiency, favourable leverages at certain joints due to tendon insertions/limb lengths, and reduced energy cost of refined technique. I'm betting the nervous system will be the most powerful factor though. Stuff like the ability to recruit high threshold motor units and do it in a synchronised, quick manner.

mishima		...	19-10-2008 @ 17:36
pink french superstar beard Member 26, 4030 posts SQ 190, BP 0, DL 205 395.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	f**king mystery to me as well...I know guys about 85kbw who can snatch over 110k and look just like they dont train at all or even worse than that. Redundent exceptions!

little_a		...	19-10-2008 @ 18:50
still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts	Dan said: How come some people are very strong but don't have large muscles ? They use the force???

paul_richards		...	20-10-2008 @ 00:21
I personally prefer the stiffest possible. Member 158, 3110 posts SQ 170, BP 107.5, DL 222.5 500.0 kgs @ 67.4kgs UnEq	- neural efficiency - fast twitch fibres


Silver_Oldie		...	20-10-2008 @ 12:08
Silver Surfer Member 163, 321 posts SQ 0, BP 95, DL 0 95.0 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq	This reminds me of a conversation (over a few beers) I had abroad just a few weeks ago South Africa. The discussion was ...All things being equal whats the best material for a powerlifter Manual worker or a desk jockey?..The debate went in favour of the manual worker untill someone raised the point that a lot of guys are too knackered at the end of the day to go out and train! Having done construction and then moving to management my vote went to the hard hats ..but I cant remember the final vote (if there was one)as the ale got to me in the end. Is there any info on this?...Any survey carried out? Any opinions?

Dan		...	20-10-2008 @ 12:44
Dan is old fashioned. Member 27, 2028 posts SQ 240, BP 170, DL 255 665.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq	So if it comes down to neural efficiency and fibre distribution are we saying it's basically genetics ? Neural efficiency will improve with training, I guess, but I don't suppose we can do much about our fibre distribution. Apart from eating Bran Flakes

paul_richards		...	20-10-2008 @ 12:48
I personally prefer the stiffest possible. Member 158, 3110 posts SQ 170, BP 107.5, DL 222.5 500.0 kgs @ 67.4kgs UnEq	Dan, the human body adapts, if you train for strength the body adapts to deal with the extra load. So while genetics (fibre type, muscle length, insertion points, limb length etc) will of course play a role, training and number of years training also plays a large part.

paul_richards		...	20-10-2008 @ 12:51
I personally prefer the stiffest possible. Member 158, 3110 posts SQ 170, BP 107.5, DL 222.5 500.0 kgs @ 67.4kgs UnEq	if you train for strength then you'll be creating hypertrophy in the fast twitch fibres, therefore increasing the load they can lift. As far as I am aware BB size comes more from an increase in the fluid in the muscle which gives size without so much strength.

chicken_legs		...	20-10-2008 @ 17:18
Dont eat my leg! Member 325, 189 posts SQ 145, BP 117.5, DL 190 452.5 kgs @ 87.5kgs UnEq	Dan said: So if it comes down to neural efficiency and fibre distribution are we saying it's basically genetics ? Neural efficiency will improve with training, I guess, but I don't suppose we can do much about our fibre distribution. Apart from eating Bran Flakes There is some evidence to show that with the right training you can create hybrid motor units which are a blend of slow and fast twitch fibres from slow twitch motor units. In terms of the nervous system there is a finite amount of force the body can theoretically produce which is absolute strength potential. The amount of force we are actually able to produce will always be less than this due to lots of factors, most of which have been mentioned above. The difference between these two values is called the strength reserve.

chicken_legs		...	20-10-2008 @ 17:21
Dont eat my leg! Member 325, 189 posts SQ 145, BP 117.5, DL 190 452.5 kgs @ 87.5kgs UnEq	So to increase actual strength you either increase absolute strength potential (and continue to tap in to the same % of that) OR decrease the strength reserve (use a greater % of your potential strength). Now to increase absolute strength potential is pretty much a case of increasing muscle cross sectional area- hypertrophy- through the appropriate training stimulus and the energy surplus to fuel it. To decrease the strength reserve will be a case of training the nervous system to function more efficiently. Obviously it is impossible to train for one or the other exclusively but training can definitely be more geared to one or the other. The lighter powerlifters you refer to who have proportionately high strength have probably gone the second route i.e. decreased the strength reserve through lower volume, higher %RM training, eating at maintenance or less Kcals a day.

Madjock		...	20-10-2008 @ 19:15
Member 379, 49 posts SQ 310, BP 170, DL 290 770.0 kgs @ 96kgs Eq	Hi all, Have a look at this two part article.You may find the answer there, never mind all the fast/slow twitch stuff. http://www.elitefts.com/documents/size_strength.htm http://www.elitefts.com/documents/size-strength2.htm Cheers, Dave.

MrSmall		...	20-10-2008 @ 21:56
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 20.10.2008 @ 21:57 PM by MrSmall I have LOST over a stone in the last month, and have broken all my rep PRs in that same time period. I don't look a lot smaller, but I probably am, where did the 7kg come from?

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