The effects of pain killers on strength/ muscle ?

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Cuddles		...	24-04-2013 @ 17:07
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	IainKendrick said:Does reducing inflamation reduce pain during a lift when no there is no inflammation in connective tissue that causes pain. If the 'pain reduction increases weight training performance' is correct I would have thought something like paracetamol would be better? This is my thinking. Brownbear, I know a biochemist who used to head up a pharmakokinetics department at a big pharma company. He was very much against me using NSAIDS for any prolonged duration without caution. For pain relief he recommended alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol purely because of the effect of ibuprofen on the stomach. If painkillers used pre workout are likely to allow us to do more physically as force 10 suggests, are they used commonly in other forms of strenuous physical actiity or is it only applicable to strength training?

AdelNasr		...	24-04-2013 @ 17:40
Member 4493, 50 posts SQ 300, BP 0, DL 300 600.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	f**k your stomach lining !! Its a side issue i don`t wanna know about. FORGET NSAIDS for a moment and lets move on to "Opiates" if we can ! Can an Heroin Addict become a strength athlete ?????

AdelNasr		...	24-04-2013 @ 18:23
Member 4493, 50 posts SQ 300, BP 0, DL 300 600.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	Frightful amount of athletes come out of the other side of their careers DRUG ADDICTS Probably not so much of a problem in strength sports because nobody gives a s**t so alot less mental stress is caused Famous athletes often look for drugs as an outlet from the reality of everyday pressure i read that alot of athletes start with mild opiates for an injury but then enjoy the release start borrowing a few tablets of team mates etc then start looking for stronger opiates its true that if you have money its far easier to get hold of heroin than it would be to get even co-codamol

rossphillips		...	24-04-2013 @ 19:07
Get to a kyro mate. Member 2268, 4659 posts SQ 250, BP 190, DL 272.5 712.5 kgs @ 104kgs Eq	I have been taking excessive amounts of codeine , co codimol , nurafen, ibuprofen for the last 7 weeks and not trained , whent to the gym today and strength the same realy if it is a little down I would put it down to not goin to the gym for 7 weeks , not taking "sups" alot and not been able to eat alot .

brownbear		...	24-04-2013 @ 21:07
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	EDCLARKE said:are nsaids such as diclofenac equally as bad for your stomach as ibuprofen? ed my man, ibuprofen and diclofenac are both NSAIDS so can cause ulcers in the stomach for the same reason, but evidence suggests the risk is different with different ones. Docs are however not allowed to prescribe diclofenac anymore, i think evidence shows a 4x increase in heart attack and such

Funky_monkey		...	24-04-2013 @ 21:07
403 forbidden message Member 160, 5121 posts SQ 190, BP 137.5, DL 225 552.5 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Tom_Martin said: No I don't study sport science. I accept an injured muscle doesn't work as well obviously, but that's not what I was asking. Do you think hiding the pain with some pills makes the injured muscle work fine again? Or does it just make it not hurt.... Very interesting point - in the very short term, would be nice to think it'd make it work fine again.

brownbear		...	24-04-2013 @ 21:08
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Cuddles said: This is my thinking. Brownbear, I know a biochemist who used to head up a pharmakokinetics department at a big pharma company. He was very much against me using NSAIDS for any prolonged duration without caution. For pain relief he recommended alternating ibuprofen and paracetamol purely because of the effect of ibuprofen on the stomach. If painkillers used pre workout are likely to allow us to do more physically as force 10 suggests, are they used commonly in other forms of strenuous physical actiity or is it only applicable to strength training? That's fair enough, i can't see any harm in alternating the two but even then why take ibuprofen for its pain relieving properties when paracetamol is a pretty good pain killer.


Jordan		...	24-04-2013 @ 21:20
strong arse session Member 1113, 1963 posts SQ 180, BP 145, DL 222.5 547.5 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq	brownbear said: Docs are however not allowed to prescribe diclofenac anymore This stuff made going to the toilet abit of a bad experience when I was prescribed them, didnt even finish the course felt like they were destroying my stomach!

Tom_Martin		...	24-04-2013 @ 21:24
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.04.2013 @ 21:24 PM by Tom_Martin Funky_monkey said: Very interesting point - in the very short term, would be nice to think it'd make it work fine again. I think my point was, you can hide the pain of an injured muscle and work through it, but it's not going to work any better than if you DIDN'T hide the pain and just got on with it, moving as quickly and forcefully as you possibly can giving no regard to the pain. I'm not advocating that you SHOULD do that and train through injuries, but if you are going to, why add aditional risks with painkillers? If you want to be more comfortable, stay at home and rest! If you want to train through an injury, feel the pain that's there, it's important that you know about it.

Cuddles		...	25-04-2013 @ 07:16
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	brownbear said: That's fair enough, i can't see any harm in alternating the two but even then why take ibuprofen for its pain relieving properties when paracetamol is a pretty good pain killer. Well he much prefers ibuprofen for relief of things like headaches but wont risk taking them in any real quantities because of the risk of stomach problems, hence the alternating.

EDCLARKE		...	25-04-2013 @ 08:16
not particularly well educated Member 85, 10988 posts SQ 170, BP 130, DL 260 560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	brownbear said: ed my man, ibuprofen and diclofenac are both NSAIDS so can cause ulcers in the stomach for the same reason, but evidence suggests the risk is different with different ones. Docs are however not allowed to prescribe diclofenac anymore, i think evidence shows a 4x increase in heart attack and such Thanks , that's what I suspected . I was prescribed dioflenac back in 2004 and was on maximum dose for nearly 2 years . No one mentioned increased risk of heart attack.

brownbear		...	25-04-2013 @ 08:17
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	EDCLARKE said: Thanks , that's what I suspected . I was prescribed dioflenac back in 2004 and was on maximum dose for nearly 2 years . No one mentioned increased risk of heart attack. It is only a recent revelation, the evidence came to light end of 2012 I believe

force10		...	25-04-2013 @ 12:38
Drugs cheat Member 3860, 630 posts SQ 335, BP 210, DL 330 875.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Its strange how some people get bent out of shape over the posibility of a stomarch ulcer from ibuprofen yet dont give a second thought to the dangers to thier helth when taking PED's or even smoking and binge drinking at a weekend.

Tom_Martin		...	25-04-2013 @ 12:43
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	force10 said:Its strange how some people get bent out of shape over the posibility of a stomarch ulcer from ibuprofen yet dont give a second thought to the dangers to thier helth when taking PED's or even smoking and binge drinking at a weekend. That doesn't describe a single person posting in this thread.

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