Squat Depth Harder to Judge From the Front
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| tonyRAW |  | Squat Depth Harder to Judge From the Front | 11-05-2013 @ 17:48 |
 Member 4417, 163 posts SQ 200, BP 142.5, DL 262.5605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | The other thread had a interesting (or non-interesting) discussion about judging depth from the front, since the lift was given by 2 side referees. It then descended into a farcical discussion about judging depth. If you have nothing constructive to add to the thread, please leave the thread alone and watch Man City for example. http://articles.elitefts.com/features/iron-brothers/squat-dept... Is it truly harder to judge the squat from the front? Does the squat always look higher from the front? Below is a series of experiments I conducted. I sat in judges’ chairs; both side and front. I saw squats that were without a doubt deep enough, squats that were obviously high, and squats that I wasn’t 100 percent sure about. I heard and participated in countless discussions about how to properly judge the squat. I was told, and have opined myself, that the front seat was the hardest to judge the squat from. If you look in most federations’ rule books, they illustrate the proper depth for squatting, but always from the side, leaving the head judge guessing. So, I wanted to answer the question for myself. But before I do, I want to point out that there are several things the following can not take into account. 1. Body size and composition. I performed the following experiment so only my body type is represented. 2. Different camera angles. I am not concerned at this time with what a squat looks like from the audience. I’m even less concerned at this time with how it looks from a camera held over everyone else’s head. I want to know what the judges see. The question I posed to myself was as follows: Is it more difficult to judge the squat from the front rather than the side? Does the front view make the squat look higher? (The second was the most important of the two questions for me to answer.) | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 17:50 |
 'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | il give you a slightly different one this time | ||
| youngy | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 17:52 |
 crushed the generals chance of 6th place Member 588, 5477 posts SQ 200, BP 100, DL 200500.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq | It is undoubtedly harder to judge from the front but that doesn't mean it can't be done well. /thread. | ||
| tonyRAW | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 17:54 |
Member 4417, 163 posts SQ 200, BP 142.5, DL 262.5605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? | ||
| Tom_Martin | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 17:57 |
 No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | We all agree with whatever you want us to agree with. | ||
| IainKendrick | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 17:57 |
 some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Indeed. It is harder to judge from the front. There is a bigger margin of error. However the front ref should is still required to do. The ref simply needs to remember thr limitations of his view and judge accordingly. From thr front refs chair depth will prob look deeper than it does from the side. Generally anyway. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:03 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22411 posts | The squat is more hassle than it's worth. Leave it in the gym! I caught part of the Masters Strongman 2011 on Challenge this morning. One guy was doing half squats - and they were accepted  | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:12 |
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | tonyRAW said:Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? I apologise a bit | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:15 |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22411 posts | What did you post Jack? I can't see. | ||
| tonyRAW | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:19 |
Member 4417, 163 posts SQ 200, BP 142.5, DL 262.5605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | IainKendrick said:Indeed. It is harder to judge from the front. There is a bigger margin of error. However the front ref should is still required to do. The ref simply needs to remember thr limitations of his view and judge accordingly. From thr front refs chair depth will prob look deeper than it does from the side. Generally anyway. Wrong. I would fail many squats from the front when the side ref would give them. With the squat in question from the European's Tom failed it from the front, when the side refs gave it. | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:20 |
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | Wayne_Cowdrey said:What did you post Jack? I can't see. a video that says "who the hell cares". it was naughty of me and I will not do it in the future | ||
| MaxCooper | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:49 |
 1000 post points - NAILED Member 2026, 1344 posts SQ 195, BP 152.5, DL 235582.5 kgs @ 94kgs UnEq | tonyRAW said:Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? please carry on jack it would only he harder to judge on very close calls due to losing sight of the hip crease due to the quad being int he way realistically he/she will have an adequate view of the squat tonyRAW said:Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? Also this issue is not going to go away/be resolved by this or any other thread so: please carry on jack | ||
| IainKendrick | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 18:56 |
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Tony.. Just goes to show some refs suck or make mistakes and are human  | ||
| Steve | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 19:21 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | MaxCooper said: tonyRAW said:Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? please carry on jack it would only he harder to judge on very close calls due to losing sight of the hip crease due to the quad being int he way realistically he/she will have an adequate view of the squat tonyRAW said:Jack leave the thread alone. Can't you read/understand WTF is going on? Also this issue is not going to go away/be resolved by this or any other thread so: please carry on jack The IPF doesn't require the ref to guess where the "hip crease" is. They require the top surface of the leg at the hip to be lower than the knee. Even from the front this is fairly easy to see for most lifters.. | ||
| jt | | ... | 11-05-2013 @ 19:26 |
 old age traveller Member 332, 7919 posts | harder but not impossible seems due to live streaming at most big comps the front ref is actually partially to the side anyhow | ||