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MrSmallIconShoulder subluxation10-03-2011 @ 21:38 
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Hi guys,

Since birth I've had very loose shoulder joints, all my joints overextend so it could be related. I've found that its called shoulder subluxation, in that the shoulder partially dislocates from the socket. As time as gone by its been a bit more noticeable and stuff that I thought was just weakness or not warming up enough is my shoulder coming out of its socket, especially on lifts like jerks when I'm catching the bar at the top, or when benching supporting the weight, even 70-80kg I am shaking like a leaf to support it.

Does anyone have any ideas, rehab, doctors, physios I could see that could maybe help me out? I'm trying some regular and aggressive rehabbing to see if it helps but in case it doesn't.
martinbIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:41 
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do you do plenty of chins and face pulls?
EDCLARKEIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:41 
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subluxation

you've just made that word up so you can use it as a poor excuse when i utterly dominate you in all overhead events at dragons 3Grin
AderIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:44 
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I was always able to dislocate my shoulders at will when I were a kid - Double jointed I guess but I have a very shallow shoulder 'socket' so the shoulder can move quite freely- Not as freely nowadays as I'm somewhat older, plus with all the weight training I do it's tightened evrything up.

When I use to Oly lift as a kid I could easily drop the weight behind me and still have hold of it when it hit the floor lol.

I would go and see a physio to get suggestions, but my guess is they're most likely going to suggest strengthening your rotator cuffs!
milsyIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:45 
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dunno if it would help but do you bench with your shoulder blades pinched so the blades are on the benchand not to either side of it i know i dont have your problem but my shoulders used to hurt benching until i started doing this take s alot of pressure off the shoulder because its being supported by the bench
MrSmallIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:51 
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Ader said:I was always able to dislocate my shoulders at will when I were a kid - Double jointed I guess but I have a very shallow shoulder 'socket' so the shoulder can move quite freely- Not as freely nowadays as I'm somewhat older, plus with all the weight training I do it's tightened evrything up.

When I use to Oly lift as a kid I could easily drop the weight behind me and still have hold of it when it hit the floor lol.

I would go and see a physio to get suggestions, but my guess is they're most likely going to suggest strengthening your rotator cuffs!


Thanks, yes I can do it at will too. I've been doing overhead press for a couple of years now and I can't say there is a big difference. I will do some rotator cuff things as well, I guess it can't hurt. Some rotator cuff exercises make my shoulder crunch a fair bit, no pain, but it doesn't seem quite right!

martinb said:do you do plenty of chins and face pulls?


I used to, I haven't consistently in some time, I have brought them back in the mix, but I've had this for as long as I can remember.

milsy said:dunno if it would help but do you bench with your shoulder blades pinched so the blades are on the benchand not to either side of it i know i dont have your problem but my shoulders used to hurt benching until i started doing this take s alot of pressure off the shoulder because its being supported by the bench


Thanks mate but its not particularly benching the problem its everything! There is no pain.

Get stuffed Ed Grin
milsyIcon...10-03-2011 @ 21:57 
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okay no worrys try this out seems like it may have some useful info

http://www.ehow.com/how_4451492_rehab-shoulder-after-shoulder-...
MrSmallIcon...10-03-2011 @ 22:00 
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thanks mate, I am doing those, face pulls, pullaparts and light overhead supports every night now.
MattFIcon...10-03-2011 @ 22:06 
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Mate, I would just look at packing on as much muscle as possible around the area. On reading an old lecture, the ratio of gleno-humeral joint is 1:4, so a golf ball on a tee, ligaments and muscles help the stability of the joint alot, therefore, as others have said rotator cuff work, rhomboids, lower/mid traps etc.
SMedIcon...10-03-2011 @ 22:09 
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Get Hazburn in here.
RodgerIcon...10-03-2011 @ 22:30 
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lower trap work mate, bench shrugs, overhead shrugs, hang shrugs off chin up bar, face pulls all help serratus and lower traps.

not too much internal rotation and bit more exteral rotation.

Ive dislocted one shoulder and had operation on other one and suffered for many many years. Its only in last 6 months I started training heavier and its not actually bothered the shoulder I had operation on so much which is odd but Im not complaining.

My shoulders are still relatively weak hence my s**t bench and overhead.
MrSmallIcon...10-03-2011 @ 22:40 
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Thanks guys, guess I've been neglecting these areas.
ranathariIcon...11-03-2011 @ 07:06 
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See an orthopaedic surgeon for a consultation. There's various operations to increase shoulder stability (usually at the expense of RoM or strength) so that's another option if you have a properly unstable shoulder.
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ranathari said:See an orthopaedic surgeon for a consultation. There's various operations to increase shoulder stability (usually at the expense of RoM or strength) so that's another option if you have a properly unstable shoulder.


I had this done as I had similar symptoms to what you describe after an injury. Its a bit tighter, but after rehab it is now much stronger than it ever was, and much stronger than the other one.

Would be tough getting both sorted, and couldn't do both at smae time, so it would be a long lay off from training.

Worth trying to get an orthopedic comsultation though. Be very wary of NHS physios, they made mine FAR worse before I got the op
RodgerIcon...11-03-2011 @ 08:54 
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If you are goinn to see a specialist i recommend Prof. Len Funk (cool name). i saw him at Mancheste Sports Medicine Clinic but he works all over and lectures all over the world. He's certainly one of the best in the country

http://www.lenfunk.com/

He's the guy who did my shoulder plication surgey, fixed my Bankart Lesion.

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