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ursus | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:02 |
![]() Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq | JC said: I also think there is drug use in WL. But, my own experiences over the last year, have made me realise that maybe drug use does not have as huge an effect on strength as some feel it does (or, at least it doesn't for some, maybe due to steroid sensitivities etc.), and so conversley, some genetic freaks could be as strong naturally, as some of the top guys unnaturally perfect, sensible post . | ||
Dave284 | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:09 |
Member 832, 522 posts SQ 50, BP 0, DL 050.0 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | ursus said: perfect, sensible post . I agree. As, I've said throughout, there are many other factors at work in general. For instance we have no idea how many missed attempts it took to make 207, how regularly he might've been near that weight, whether he missed 180 and 190 on the way up etc. It just seems too big a coincidence that as soon as he starts getting tested regularly, his lifts and total drop significantly. | ||
Steve | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:10 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Dave284 said:You are, of course, right, we'll never know. Nor should anybody see it as a negative things if people decide to use, its their choice and people should respect that. I don't understand why we should respect somebody who decides to take drugs in a tested sport. They are breaking the rules in attempt to gain personal advantage over other people - they certainly don't get my respect. | ||
Dave284 | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:13 |
Member 832, 522 posts SQ 50, BP 0, DL 050.0 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | Steve said: I don't understand why we should respect somebody who decides to take drugs in a tested sport. They are breaking the rules in attempt to gain personal advantage over other people - they certainly don't get my respect. I guess it depends what is more important - winning or your morals. If your competition are all doing it, would you not do what it took to compete if it was your livelihood? | ||
Steve | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:18 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Dave284 said: I guess it depends what is more important - winning or your morals. If your competition are all doing it, would you not do what it took to compete if it was your livelihood? You could use the same arguement for justifying why burglary was OK | ||
JC | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:20 |
![]() technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Steve said: I don't understand why we should respect somebody who decides to take drugs in a tested sport. They are breaking the rules in attempt to gain personal advantage over other people - they certainly don't get my respect. I dont think respect is the right word. If you, as an athlete, firmly believe everyone else is using, so you, yourself use, then I dont think (for me personally) you can be overly critical of the athlete They are just trying to put themselves on an equal footing (in their mind) with their peers | ||
Dave284 | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:21 |
Member 832, 522 posts SQ 50, BP 0, DL 050.0 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | Steve said: You could use the same arguement for justifying why burglary was OK Possibly. Although potentially less so if WL was the route to a better life for somebody in a less developed country. | ||
Steve | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:27 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | JC said: I dont think respect is the right word. If you, as an athlete, firmly believe everyone else is using, so you, yourself use, then I dont think (for me personally) you can be overly critical of the athlete They are just trying to put themselves on an equal footing (in their mind) with their peers I agree, repsect is probably the wrong word - I think you can perhaps justify it on the basis that all the competition are doing it, but not respect it. | ||
Steve | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:29 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Dave284 said: Possibly. Although potentially less so if WL was the route to a better life for somebody in a less developed country. I'm not sure that being a route to a better life is a justification or not. On that basis there would never be a reason for somebody from say the UK/US ... as they're certainly not going to go into weightlifting on the basis of getting a better life | ||
Dave284 | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 15:40 |
Member 832, 522 posts SQ 50, BP 0, DL 050.0 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | Steve said: I'm not sure that being a route to a better life is a justification or not. On that basis there would never be a reason for somebody from say the UK/US ... as they're certainly not going to go into weightlifting on the basis of getting a better life Potentially true. From a personal perspective, I would have respect for somebody doing it on the basis that they're are doing what it takes to win in their sport (in which everyone else is doing it too). | ||
Harry | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 18:58 |
I have sex with women Member 2122, 310 posts SQ 180, BP 135, DL 220535.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | Seems a bit shallow watching WL or the strongest in the world (supposedly) in Strongman when you know they're taking something extra on the side. Has any man been strong and fast enough to actually competed at a top level in a natural way? As impressive a big squat, clean & jerk/snatch is, if they're just using drugs outside of comps I dont see the point in watching. Russia, CHina and iran give more support because it is just a middle finger to the West. /tin hat on | ||
Dave284 | ![]() | ... | 15-11-2011 @ 21:35 |
Member 832, 522 posts SQ 50, BP 0, DL 050.0 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | Impossible to say. Many have claimed to be clean. But what is 'clean', lifetime drug free? drug free at the time of testing? what if some people have higher natural t-levels? is that fair? too many shades of grey to make a judgement. | ||