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mikecmIcon...12-08-2018 @ 19:08 
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Billytheold said:Age? Will you do the total in your 50’s?
You are young I assumes! You’ll get this now!


30.. thanks Billy.
RS86Icon...12-08-2018 @ 21:08 
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My mate won the AWPC worlds u90 raw (bare knee) with a 665kg total. He's good for 700 IMO and if he added wraps perhaps another 20-30kg on top? Also won the ABPU British previously. 700+ is achievable natural IMO at 90kg, 800+ not so sure
matthewvcIcon...13-08-2018 @ 01:48 
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IainKendrick said:
Yes raw/classic. You've got to be on the right end of the 'bell curve' and training to be nailed etc(which few people can do), but certain think 800 odd is possible natural at 90ish.


That’s a huge factor - most people’s training is hampered by family and/or work.
I can vouch for the night and day difference in recovery since taking a sabbatical from contracting and I’m 44. If you can do that in your early 20s, the gains will be massive.
matthewvcIcon...13-08-2018 @ 02:04 
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RS86 said:My mate won the AWPC worlds u90 raw (bare knee) with a 665kg total. He's good for 700 IMO and if he added wraps perhaps another 20-30kg on top? Also won the ABPU British previously. 700+ is achievable natural IMO at 90kg, 800+ not so sure


There are those out there norris, gibbs etc doing those numbers at those weights and tested.

but they have so many thing in their favour from muscle fibre type to leverages, through mental drive, stress free lives etc to get there. Most people simply don’t have enough boxes ticked to get near that level ( be they genetic ones they have zero control over or environmental that they theoretically do)
scruffmcbuffIcon...13-08-2018 @ 05:06 
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Id say its possible mate. I know a lad who at 17 years old weighing 68kg did 200/117.5/200 drug free.
WiegieboardIcon...13-08-2018 @ 07:43 
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Most of the lifters I've trained with have been natty.
At 100kg I'd say that is doable. Not the sort of strength I can achieve (granted I'm not the most consistant) but I'd say I'm weaker than most.
RS86Icon...13-08-2018 @ 14:00 
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Post Edited: 13.08.2018 @ 14:01 PM by RS86
matthewvc said:
There are those out there norris, gibbs etc doing those numbers at those weights and tested.
but they have so many thing in their favour from muscle fibre type to leverages, through mental drive, stress free lives etc to get there. Most people simply don’t have enough boxes ticked to get near that level ( be they genetic ones they have zero control over or environmental that they theoretically do)
True. Forgot the likes of Gibbs, Haack etc tbh. But looking at the UK, there's literally been 2 people ever to total 800+ raw at 90kg or less out of the hundreds of lifters, Dayle Longford and Reece Meakin. Chris Pugh probs likely to join them soon. None of whom compete tested.
AdamTIcon...13-08-2018 @ 15:26 
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Post Edited: 13.08.2018 @ 15:26 PM by AdamT
I would imagine 7-800 would definitely be possible for someone at 90-100 with talent and great work ethic. Maybe even more for the real elite.

However, I think 6-700 is a more realistic (still very difficult) total to achieve.
jediIcon...14-08-2018 @ 13:55 
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dannyboy73 said:I managed 240/162/255 drug free...if Id started younger and not got so injured Id guess 250/180/300???


We have very similar numbers.
I hit 230-160-250 in my last comp as an M2 at u90

Then packed some pudding on and managed to go 245-165-260 in the gym at around 93/94kg but dieting back down, I felt worse than when I just sit at 88-91 year round and couldn't sustain it.

Much as it pains me to admit it; I think these numbers do pretty much equate to my natural potential at u90.

I am now torn between the three choices of
1. minimising my decline
2. adding more bodyweight so my absolute strength might increase if not my relative strength
3. seeking 'pharmaceutical assistance'
KevC86Icon...15-08-2018 @ 05:41 
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jedi said:
3. seeking 'pharmaceutical assistance'


I'm genuinely curious why you don't see this as the obvious choice?
jediIcon...15-08-2018 @ 09:41 
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KevC86 said:
I'm genuinely curious why you don't see this as the obvious choice?


I suppose it IS the most obvious choice in terms of likely being the most effective.
However, I've never really been one for supplements of any sort, so skipping straight past creatine and protein powder, to having a sharps bin and self-administering injectables, is quite a leap for me.

However, if I am going to do it, I think I'd rather do it now, when I have a chance of regathering some momentum. As opposed to say, waiting another 5 years and then only using it to recover lost ground ...that option really doesn't hold any attraction.
So; I am definitely, very seriously, considering it.
But certainly don't see it as a decision I'd take lightly.
AMH_PowerIcon...16-08-2018 @ 17:53 
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I have only ever known drug free, but of course. Why fit yourself in the curve of normality, there is ALWAYS the exception to the rule; the 99th percentile.

The biology of these people is often identical to the rest... what does differ is their will to succeed.

Anybody at that weight should hit that within a year in my opinion, and if not I guarantee it is rarely, if ever 'genetics'. It's because of a lack of commitment or moral fibre, or some other external factor like "oh, but I have to jog every day with my boyfriend" (diseases aside).

Honestly, if you are pitching that mediocre total as a question to your genetic limit then you are already setting yourself crazy low standard that you will probably never achieve.

Drug free lifters are hitting 50% more than that in the IPF...
Thats like asking if a 14 second 100m time is attainable drug free.

Maybe this is not what you wanted to hear, but you asked the question.
AdamTIcon...16-08-2018 @ 20:52 
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AMH_Power said:I have only ever known drug free, but of course. Why fit yourself in the curve of normality, there is ALWAYS the exception to the rule; the 99th percentile.

The biology of these people is often identical to the rest... what does differ is their will to succeed.

Anybody at that weight should hit that within a year in my opinion, and if not I guarantee it is rarely, if ever 'genetics'. It's because of a lack of commitment or moral fibre, or some other external factor like "oh, but I have to jog every day with my boyfriend" (diseases aside).

Honestly, if you are pitching that mediocre total as a question to your genetic limit then you are already setting yourself crazy low standard that you will probably never achieve.

Drug free lifters are hitting 50% more than that in the IPF...
Thats like asking if a 14 second 100m time is attainable drug free.

Maybe this is not what you wanted to hear, but you asked the question.


I like you Aaron but I don't agree about everyone should be hitting 620 within a year. Yeah of course good athletes can do it, but many can't as well.

I guarentee many train hard, but struggle to get strong that fast.
AMH_PowerIcon...16-08-2018 @ 21:07 
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AdamT said:
I like you Aaron but I don't agree about everyone should be hitting 620 within a year. Yeah of course good athletes can do it, but many can't as well.
I guarentee many train hard, but struggle to get strong that fast.


Haha cheers mate, I like you too...

Buuuuuut, I'm pretty confident that if one of these individuals was told they could have a million quid in 1 year if they hit a 620 total... they would hit a 620 total.

I agree though that some people need to work harder for the same results, and also have unique training requirements... but that's where a good coach comes in and proper programming.

It all comes down to compliance. If life means they can't comply with the system that is needed to make progress because of other priorities then obviously they won't (and some peoples requirements are more demanding than others).

Also if anybody is struggling to progress and in the west yorkshire area, you are more than welcome to come lift with us in my humble gym/garage.
AdamTIcon...16-08-2018 @ 21:09 
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AMH_Power said:
Haha cheers mate, I like you too...
Buuuuuut, I'm pretty confident that if one of these individuals was told they could have a million quid in 1 year if they hit a 620 total... they would hit a 620 total.
I agree though that some people need to work harder for the same results, and also have unique training requirements... but that's where a good coach comes in and proper programming.
It all comes down to compliance. If life means they can't comply with the system that is needed to make progress because of other priorities then obviously they won't (and some peoples requirements are more demanding than others).
Also if anybody is struggling to progress and in the west yorkshire area, you are more than welcome to come lift with us in my humble gym/garage.


Not many have proper programming mate. But you are right. A million quid many would do it lol

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